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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by racer, Apr 8, 2021.
Have you shown her/looked into the Q4 e-tron? That's a sexy looking luxury compact imo.
Those Fisker Oceans look nice. Appear to be the cheapest starting point, too.
Makes perfect sense for the solar roof thing. Not sure why it's not utilized more
we have an SUV reserved. Made the reservation last fall and original delivery window was q1 2023. They are moving people around based on location and options/color to try to pump up deliveries so we will see.
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Because it adds 3 miles per day in perfect conditions. The cost to value isn’t worth it (yet).
Yes, she drives a Q5 now and we're actually on a list for one, but they keep getting pushed back. No idea when they'll actually make it to the states
If I don’t get a chance at a Lightening in the next round of ordering I am very interested in the Q4
That's quite the difference in vehicle types
I never realized how good looking this vehicle is.
I chatted with a rivian rep a few weeks ago and if I put a downpayment down today. I would be scheduled for q4 2023.
Has Rivian said anything about adapting their gps/media system (adding apple/android)?
they don’t want to. Following Tesla in that regard.
I really like these too but we’ll see if they actually come through
Truck is a dream want. Q4 is a closer replacement to my RDX. Q4 also is the only thing I’ve seen not a truck that’s rated to pull anything.
I think the Lucid is an incredible vehicle but also range is largely overkill, they’re going to get lapped by the industry as a whole and find the exterior design to be hideous. It’s like a smoothed out Toyota Camry. For that kind of money I’d be getting a Taycan.
I don't get how this would be possible. iirc racer has mentioned a similar sentiment with me in discussions itt before. Basically saying range isn't as important in EV's as a whole as I think.
I haven't owned an EV yet though and I know he has/does so I'm open to reconsidering my stance.
Agreed on the range thing. For the vast majority of people and usage, 250-300 is going to be way more than enough. Daily commuters will plug in overnight or at work. Plus most people can commute a week on a single charge. The range question comes up in road trip conversations. In my experience, 3 hours or 250 miles is a good break point on any extended trip. With gas, you’re off the road 15-20 by the time you fill up, use the restroom, grab snacks or drinks or whatever and get back going. In an EV you’re charging for 30 maybe before you’re ready to go again, all while taking care of the other pit stop activities. You might stop one extra time in a day vs gas and so at most you’re like +30 minutes on an entire day of driving. BFD. Plus that charging just cost you like $25 where your gas was probably $150 today.
Overall, the savings on fuel and convenience of eliminating gas stops from your daily life outweighs the slight annoyance of road trip charging by a lot.
Something about the front of that I don't like. Everything else looks great.
All good points and your math and reasoning seem sound. I'm just slow to come around on it for reasons I have a hard time expressing. That usually means I'm overthinking it like you've said for a while now.
I'm still going to give it another year or two before I officially make the leap from ICE to EV though. I want to give the industry more time to do a bunch of things that I think will make it even more of a no brainer for me. Things like, more charging stations in general, faster charging times, more EV's in the market and actually available thus more affordable (ideally), etc. Some of those things might not change much in a year or two but it's not going to hurt.
Faster charging speeds than I get on the Mach-E would be nice. The Hyundai/Kia line is clocking in the 200s afaik. I’m technically maxed at 160, but clocking around 75 consistently.
Fast charging is growing fast. I’ve seen a huge increase in fast and reliable options over the last year.
Another semi-EV related point - hands free highway is so awesome. Long drives feel much less tiresome when you’re not holding the wheel. I was worried I’d be annoyed by the eye tracking, but it has been fine. My main complaint is related to not having a seek button that works well for SXM, but that’s a more of general complaint. It takes my eyes far enough away for long enough when I use the center screen to seek that the car yells at me. Otherwise I find that I don’t miss looking around like I thought I might.
This is great to hear and off sets the range concerns. I mean so what if you only have a 250 mile range if it only takes ~15 mins. to basically recharge back to full at a fast charger. Ideally functionality like that becomes the norm in a year or two.
One other thing that I'm guessing car companies are always working on now and will hopefully improve greatly in the future is the difference in battery life in cold climates in the winter.
racer you're in the Des Moines area right? How much of a difference is there in battery life and performance for this time of year compared to say, January? (*also I mean a real January...not like the crazy mild winter we just had)
Like 25-30% maybe? Daily it was never an issue. Did a few longer trips and averaged 2-2.2mpkwh. For reference I’m generally getting 2.7-3 on the highway in spring-fall. That made for an extra stop to top off when heading up to MSP and on the way home, rather than pushing straight through.
I did notice heat effecting range way more than A/C.
Pretty big factor then. I'm sure they're all working on improving it. Especially if they want to sell cars to people in the northern US states, Canada, Scandinavia.
crossed 1 year of EV ownership this week
spent $159 on charging (all exclusively at my house)
14 months, 26823, probably around $500 in charging between home and fast charging.
Test drove it two weeks ago since the wife is on the Genesis priority list for it. Pretty impressive and basically comes fully loaded.
1 year, 6k miles. Probably around $200 total for charging since I get the first 30 minutes free at electrify america.
Put my deposit down on the bmw i4 a few months ago. The dealership received their first batch of vehicles so I’m hoping only a few more months.
They’ve consistently told me October-November timeframe but I don’t have a production number yet
I think I like the Ioniq 5 design just a bit more.
For all the folks listening out their mileage/charging cost. What did you buy?
I’ve been like 28k miles a year over the 6 years with my RDX. Feels like an EV would be great for my 70ish miles everyday to and from work.
model 3 sr+
mach-e premium AWD extended range
My sister visited this weekend and played the Tesla fart noise horn honk. I really enjoyed my wife’s look of confusion.
Dual motor long range Polestar 2.
Used Nissan Leaf in January
5500 miles so far, probably about $350 charging costs
VW ID.4 coming next month
This is silly. There’s software for your phone to talk to your car, install it ffs.
Tryna flex on us. My car, and I’m sure many others (EV and gas) come with a portable 12v inflation unit that does the job with like 4% of that effort.
What part of this are you feeling is so effort-intesive?
You can just kind of tell that vehicles are not their area of expertise. That’s one reason why I’m on board with the big boys. They know cars and they can add tech. It’s much harder the other way around.
Yeah Rivian seemed dope when nothing else was out. Now it’s just screaming doing too much.
You’d have to be a fool to think the very first vehicle a startup releases would be flawless. It sounds like overall people are very pleased with the product, and the design/style is excellent IMO, but there will be more complaints that come up with time. That’s just part of the gamble that goes along with being an early adopter.
At this point it would be a gamble I’d take if I could afford the price.
The only thing that made this take more effort than anything else was them doing everything one handed
How long ago did you order the ID4? I've narrowed my wish list to the ID4 at the top, but at this point I want to see how much better range the 2023 model gets before placing an order.
Frustrating to know it's probably a one year wait, but I'd like VW to get another model year under their belts, plus the Chattanooga factory may speed things up.