LFC: We Conquered All of Europe, Now We’ve Stopped

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  1. Quick

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    Loan
     
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  2. SugarShaun

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    Ok that’s what I thought
     
  3. Ace Boogie

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    Wrong thread
     
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  4. swiggle

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  5. Illinihockey

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    On the one hand he’s fucking awesome, on the other hand man our midfield sucks
     
  6. chipperk

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    Yeah, that's a depressing stat. I would have thought Origi was in double digits.
     
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    I’m not sure Origi is even up to double digits in games played during that span.
     
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  9. swiggle

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    The shit going on today with Bobby Duncan's agent is crazy.
     
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  10. New2Soccer

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    Where do you guys usually shop for Liverpool gear? I usually like jackets or jerseys, but just curious where everyone goes for that stuff.
     
  11. Squints

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  12. chuckmasterflex

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  14. Illinihockey

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    Anfield Shop is an American based supplier I've bought from before. I tend to like some of the unlicensed stuff like posted above. Have also just bought stuff from LFC Retail.
     
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  16. El_Pato

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    15k a week at 18 and unhappy? Wtf
     
  17. derfish

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    Gerrard needs to step in and end this right now.
     
  18. chuckmasterflex

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    The kid forced his way out of City a year ago. Clearly getting poor advice.
     
  19. animal_mother

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    Lake of fire for him. I guess he’s a decent player for his age but no one would give a fuck about this guy if he wasn’t related to Stevie.
     
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  20. Paddy Murphy

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    Lake of fire indeed. Prove a point. No dumb caveman looking ass 18 year old and their used car salesman of an agent get away with making an ass of themselves to the club and sullying the name of a club legend even if he’s the kids cousin.
     
  21. Illinihockey

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  22. Illinihockey

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    Hope we get Ajax in pot 2 tomorrow
     
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  23. Paddy Murphy

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    Would be nice if we could make a run in this so that Brewster and some others can get some PT.
     
  24. swiggle

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    What is this nonsense, a non top flight team?
     
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  25. chuckmasterflex

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    Looking at the teams in pot 3, I understand why Napoli and PSG were pissed that was where we were last year.
     
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  26. Illinihockey

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    There’s teams youd rather not play but unlike in most years there really shouldn’t be a group of death. Top teams have moved out of pot 3 and Leipzig aren’t what they were in pot 4
     
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    Athletic article on Duncan and his slime ball agent

    Money not the motivation for Bobby Duncan – and he does still have a Liverpool future

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    Duncan knew exactly what he wanted.

    It was early December 2016 and I’d been invited to his family home in Prescot, some 10 miles outside Liverpool city centre, to conduct an interview about his heroics for England Under-16s in South America.

    Duncan, the cousin of former Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard, had just become the first England player at any level to score a hat-trick against Brazil and was beaming with pride as he clung on to the signed match ball — a cherished memento from a historic achievement.

    At the time he was a prolific goalscorer for Manchester City Under-16s having joined the club from Wigan Athletic at the age of 10.

    City provided five-star treatment, sending a driver who each morning ferried him to the £12,000 per year St Bede’s College for lessons in the morning before training at the Etihad Campus in the afternoon.

    Yet despite his place at the richest club on the planet, Duncan’s heart was clearly elsewhere. His father Rob pointed to a brown envelope sitting on the mantelpiece in the lounge.

    “There’s a contract from City in there,” he said. “It would make Bobby very rich when he turns pro but he won’t be signing it. There’s no pathway for him at City.

    “He needs to be at Liverpool. He’s a Liverpool boy — it’s his club.”

    Duncan, who was only 15 at the time, nodded in agreement. His younger brothers Ollie and Freddie were already part of the youth ranks at Liverpool’s Kirkby Academy and he was a lifelong fan.

    The Whiston-born striker explained how on car journeys as a kid he would watch DVDs of Gerrard in his prime thinking “one day that could be me”.

    Some 18 months after that conversation, Duncan and his family got their wish.

    After a protracted stand-off, Liverpool agreed a compensation package with City of around £200,000 in the summer of 2018.

    When the paperwork was finally concluded last August, Duncan proudly put a photograph on his Instagram account of him signing a three-year professional contract. His smile was as wide as the Mersey.

    “Waited so long for this day to finally come,” he wrote. “A club I grew up watching and supported all my life. My boyhood club, my dream!”



    Fast forward, 12 months and that dream has turned spectacularly sour.

    His agent Saif Rubie released an incendiary statement on Wednesday, accusing Liverpool of “mentally bullying and destroying the life” of the teenager after turning down offers from Italian club Fiorentina and Danish outfit FC Nordsjaelland.

    Rubie was heavily critical of sporting director Michael Edwards for refusing to let Duncan leave and is adamant that the youngster won’t ever represent the club again.

    Duncan, who has removed all mentions of LFC from his social media accounts and has blacked out his profile photos, retweeted the statement before deleting it an hour later. Rubie says that Duncan hasn’t left his house for four days because of the stress he is under.

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    Liverpool have described the serious allegations as “unfounded, inaccurate and inflammatory” though will, of course, take any issues regarding the player’s mental health seriously.

    How did it come to this? And where do Liverpool and Duncan go from here?

    On the face of it, the situation is baffling. Duncan’s first season with Liverpool saw him score 32 goals and provide 23 assists in all competitions for the club’s under-18s.

    He returned to haunt City in April’s FA Youth Cup final when his late swerving 25-yarder restored parity in front of Pep Guardiola. He celebrated by cupping his ear in front of the home fans at the City Football Academy and Liverpool held their nerve to win on penalties.

    Amid the celebrations, a beaming Duncan said: “This season couldn’t have gone any better for me. Big players provide in big games, know what I mean? It’s an unbelievable feeling.”

    As well as being invited to train at Melwood at various stages of the campaign, he was also promoted to play for the under-23s.

    Back in July, with established attackers Roberto Firmino, Mohamed Salah and Sadio Mane all on holiday following their international commitments, Duncan was included by Jurgen Klopp in the first-team squad for pre-season.

    He scored with a neat close-range finish on his senior debut against Tranmere in the opening friendly and earned a place on the tour of America. Duncan played against Sevilla at Boston’s Fenway Park before further outings against Napoli in Edinburgh and Lyon in Geneva.

    The feedback was positive. Klopp was impressed by his attitude, application and finishing prowess. He struggled at times with the intensity, but that was to be expected.

    Unsurprisingly, the manager felt that Duncan’s development would be best served by dropping back down to the under-23s when the season got underway.

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    Bobby Duncan in action against Chelsea during his time at City (Photo: Tom Flathers/Manchester City FC via Getty Images)
    For a young frontman who only turned 18 in June, he was in a decent position under a world-class manager famed for giving youngsters opportunities when the time is right. He could hardly complain about being behind Firmino, Salah, Mane, Divock Origi and Rhian Brewster in the pecking order of the European champions.

    The only Liverpool Academy attacker who had a footballing reason to feel crushed this summer was his under-18s strike partner Paul Glatzel. On the same night Duncan scored against Tranmere, Glatzel suffered an ACL injury requiring surgery which will rule him out for the entire season.

    Yet Duncan and those close to him have always been in a hurry to reach the top.

    Such was their determination to get him out of City that he effectively wrote off the entire 2017-18 campaign.

    After repeatedly snubbing their contract offers, he left City that August but couldn’t play for anyone else as they retained his registration. At the time Liverpool were serving a one-year transfer ban preventing them from signing players from other English academies.

    Liverpool were interested and knew he was desperate to join the following summer, but made it clear they weren’t prepared to go to a tribunal, fearing that Duncan would cost them in excess of £1 million.

    Duncan kept his fitness up by training with Wigan Athletic’s senior squad and continued to be picked by England Under-17s boss Steve Cooper, now manager of Swansea City.

    The teenager was represented by agent Rob Segal, who used to count Raheem Sterling and Dele Alli among his clients.

    Segal successfully managed to convince City to back down and agree a compromise which enabled Duncan to join Liverpool for around £200,000 in 2018.

    Duncan had also attracted interest from the likes of Tottenham, Juventus, Monaco and Roma but he had seen the progress of Trent Alexander-Arnold at Anfield and wanted to follow the same path under Klopp.

    Despite the goals flowing for Duncan at youth level last season, managing him proved a challenge for Academy director Alex Inglethorpe and his staff.

    They admired his self-belief but felt the need to keep his ego in check. There were concerns he was attracting too much publicity and coaches were reluctant to talk him up to the media, even after match-winning performances.

    Duncan was also warned at times about his use of social media and bringing unnecessary attention on himself. Liverpool prefer their young players to keep a low profile.

    On the field, there were no complaints. Duncan’s commitment for Barry Lewtas’ exciting under-18s team was unwavering. Inglethorpe did extra one-to-one sessions with him to work on his hold up play to ensure he became more than simply a poacher and the hard graft paid off.

    When stories started to appear in the spring about Duncan attracting interest from “top European clubs”, staff felt it was a ploy designed to try to get him a new improved contract.

    Liverpool didn’t take the bait and he remains on around £1,500 per week plus bonuses.

    Towards the end of last season, Rubie came on to the scene. Segal, who boasts around 260 clients, was told by Duncan’s family that they wanted “a change of direction” with a new agent.

    Rubie is a British Iraqi entrepreneur who is based in Dubai. The 40-year-old is involved in sports management, nightclubs and health and fitness centres.

    Back in 1999 he became the world’s youngest FIFA licenced players agent at the age of 21.

    He did the deal that took Ecuador international Felipe Caicedo from Basel to Manchester City in 2008 and was involved in Kolo Toure’s switch from Arsenal to City the following year. In 2013 he put together a consortium which took control of Belgian club Royal Antwerp.

    His clients have also included Sol Campbell, Nigel Quashie, Saido Berahino, Avram Grant, Antonio Rudiger and Carlton Cole.

    Rubie was banned by the FA in 2006 after failing to respond to requests for information about the activities of Up ‘n’ Up Management Limited. It was lifted a month later after he provided the details and paid a £600 fine.

    In April this year he was pictured at Dubai’s Transform Altitude Performance Centre with Liverpool full-back Alexander-Arnold. He part-owns the state-of-the-art rehab and fitness conditioning facility which numerous Premier League stars have used as a warm-weather training base.

    Rubie was featured in GQ Middle East back in May. His tone in that interview doesn’t exactly tally with the confrontational approach he adopted with Wednesday’s grenade which stunned Liverpool.
    “Your reputation is your biggest currency,” he told the magazine.

    “The way you are as a person, you cannot be arrogant. Being nice and making people feel warm and comfortable around you is the most important thing in order to start building and fostering relationships.

    “I’ve brokered deals of over $396million in value but without that trust then none of these deals could ever have been completed. My job is to connect the sellers to the buyers and vice versa. I get paid by bringing value to a deal and the trick is to spot talent and value and bring it all together.

    “There are a million sports agents, in order to separate yourself from the rest you’ve got to make sure that you are working harder to find the gaps.”

    He has certainly managed to separate himself from the rest. Liverpool haven’t ever dealt with anyone like him but that’s not a compliment.

    Rubie didn’t respond to The Athletic’s requests for comment regarding the allegations contained in Wednesday’s statement, a missive that prompted an angry backlash towards him from many supporters via Twitter.

    The “final straw” he referred to is understood to be Liverpool’s decision this week to reject Fiorentina’s improved offer of taking Duncan on a season-long loan with an obligation to buy for £1.6million next summer if he makes five Serie A starts or 10 senior appearances this season.

    Anfield officials dismissed that as “not credible” on the basis he was highly unlikely to get that kind of game time in Italy and so Liverpool would effectively be giving him away on a free loan for the season.
    Liverpool also refute Rubie’s claims that Duncan has been told he won’t ever play for the first team and won’t be given a new contract in the future.

    Club legend Jamie Carragher sparked a furious response from Rubie on Twitter when he questioned the advice he’d given Duncan, described the statement as “a huge mistake” and accused him of “hurting a young lad’s career”.

    The player’s agent remained unrepentant, dismissing sporting director Edwards as “a glorified data analyst” and added: “When the truth comes out as to how Michael Edwards has handled Bobby’s well being and future you will be thinking differently I promise you.”

    However, Rubie may live to regret suddenly being the centre of attention after homophobic and sexist tweets sent from his account in recent years surfaced and were shared online before he hastily deleted them.

    Five years ago he tweeted Stan Collymore, after the former Liverpool striker had accused Emirates of being in “the dark ages” after the airline had withdrawn a job offer to a young British woman after finding out that she had suffered from depression.

    “I wouldn’t want somebody serving me in the air with previous mental health issues.” he tweeted. “Nothing wrong with that Stan, get over it.”

    By Thursday morning, Rubie had deactivated his Twitter account.

    “Rubie has taken the nuclear option by issuing that statement,” was how a rival agent described his conduct on Wednesday. “It’s a big risk.”

    If Rubie was hoping to force Liverpool’s hand, he’s set to be disappointed. There’s little chance of the club backing down and accepting a deal they don’t want. It would set a dangerous precedent.

    It remains to be seen whether any improved offers are forthcoming before the Serie A deadline on Monday.

    Liverpool sympathise with Duncan and insist there is still a way back for him at Anfield. They believe the youngster has been poorly advised and are keen to provide help and support. The club have a support network for any players who struggle with mental health or issues in their private life.

    He’s still held in high regard as a professional both at Melwood and at the Academy. They certainly don’t intend to punish him.

    “We will continue our efforts to work privately with the player to find resolution in the best interests of all involved,” a club spokesman vowed.

    This is the tale of a gifted teenager who is impatient and desperate to make his mark on the big stage. That contract from City that sat unsigned on the mantelpiece in Prescot is proof that money isn’t the motivation. He wants goals and glory and he wants them now.

    Duncan may never make the grade at Liverpool. There are no guarantees. After all the bar is set incredibly high.

    But both the 18-year-old and those close to him would be wise to take a step back and appreciate how far he’s come over the past year.

    The current breakdown in relations and mudslinging is a sad state of affairs, especially considering how hard Duncan fought to get to Liverpool in the first place.
     
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  28. Illinihockey

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    Ox getting called into the England side for international break. See you in 2021 Ox.
     
  29. Illinihockey

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    Salah turning koulibaly inside out and then not even celebrating and just staring into the stands is fucking ice cold
     
  30. derfish

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    What, no Matip goal from the Bayern away leg?

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  31. El_Pato

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    Good draw, avoided all the big teams in pot 2. Kind of boring to play Napoli again though
     
  32. Illinihockey

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    Ya you shouldn't have to play a team you played in the group stage the year before.
     
  33. Illinihockey

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    We missed the scariest teams from each group.
     
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    That rule would’ve been bad for us

    It’s a really good draw, I’m taking it and running
     
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  35. New2Soccer

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    Dope. Thanks!
     
  36. Illinihockey

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    I didn't remember we went Newcastle straight to Barca. What a fucking couple of days for Origi
     
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  38. Illinihockey

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    We robbed Southampton
     
  39. Paddy Murphy

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    Outside of PSG Madrid and Juve Atleti there aren’t any must watch matchups. I will take it in exchange for our group. Top the group and hope you avoid PSG or Madrid in the round of 16.
     
  40. Paddy Murphy

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    Wow. Fuck yea. Need a new song already.
     
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  41. Paddy Murphy

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    Ronaldo while the GOAT and the Boss congratulate each other lol.
     
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  42. derfish

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    He’s our Center Half...
     
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  44. Illinihockey

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    Shit, was hoping we'd play Genk on that first week. Probably have to beat Napoli without Alisson
     
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    Napoli away is probably the worst start we could have.

    Don’t forget that 5 days later we travel to Stamford Bridge.