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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Illinihockey, Apr 12, 2015.
Saying what a bout America's war crimes is a hilarious attempt at deflection
American war crimes - famous for not upsetting people all over the world.
Also famous for de-escalating what would normally be a major war into a confined more simple war, keeping the status quo
they would never. They care deeply about the Palestinians civilians and nothing about PR
Again, not a war crime.
Were you like a dod lawyer? I'm so baffled by your entire deal
it just isn’t a war crime, you can read the law. Also the Iraqis called in that strike so I know you’re disappointed it wasn’t americas fault.
Wait are you a cia plant
That would make a lot of sense
Just like when Israel didn’t randomly drop a jdam on a hospital parking lot, the IDF didn’t just invent Al-shifa was being used by Hamas and people can’t just say they were wrong. It’s sad
Mother fucker they still have hostages on both sides, none of this is right
Hey asshole! Military necessity (the exception you are referring to) still requires proportionality in the response under international humanitarian law.
Article 51 of the Geneva Convention of 1949
Article 51 - Protection of the civilian population
1. The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy general protection against dangers arising from military operations. To give effect to this protection, the following rules, which are additional to other applicable rules of international law, shall be observed in all circumstances.
2. The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.
3. Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this Section, unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.
4. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited. Indiscriminate attacks are:
(a) those which are not directed at a specific military objective;
(b) those which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or
(c) those which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by this Protocol;
and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction.
5. Among others, the following types of attacks are to be considered as indiscriminate:
(a) an attack by bombardment by any methods or means which treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects; and
(b) an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
5(b) seems pretty subjective. I legitimately would be interested in knowing if anyone has ever been prosecuted under that section
Anyone that follows war as a hobby is pretty disgusting
This is a quick write-up on the general mechanisms of international humanitarian law. Rules vs. principles is an important distinction that limits the subjectivity.
Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. You were quick to tell everyone nothing Israel has done is a war crime and to read “the law” to see how we are wrong. Well, I provided one of “the laws” that make up international humanitarian law. The bullshit you were spewing beforehand was that “the law” was clear that what Israel has done wasn’t criminal because of military necessity. By your response to my post, it is clear you didn’t know the fucking law. But it’s ok, because now you say it’s subjective. Again, get the fuck out of here with this bullshit.
Welcome to war
Also amazed this thread went an afternoon/evening of posting without someone stopping in to post something like
“Yea this will be the time you convince Illini he’s wrong”
Good job, TMB
Good lay down
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Hand up that's on me but you know me, and yes this topic makes me angry online
Oh don't feel bad. It's a message board. The general point is to post.
Which comes first:
Humanity stops having wars in the name of religion?
Humanity is wiped out due to religious wars?
Latter because war will always happen
I’m not trying to get him to change his mind I’m simply trying to get him to own his shit.
No need to justify to me my friend. It was commentary TMB as a whole more than at anyone posting
Hey man, I tried for over a year with TH and look how that turned out?
Gen Z is only thing that gives me a bit of hope
My money is on capitalism not religion wiping us out at this point
and all this time I thought israel was just making up Hamas using hospitals, mosques, and schools for military purposes.
consider the source.
There’s also a Hamas HQ under the headquarters of the federalist society here in America. Hopefully Israel can come in and clear out that building here in the states
This is hilarious. People ask for evidence and when presented this is always the answer. Who is going to show this instead? Hamas? I know Hamas is a trusted source because their claims and figures are routinely posted here. I guess if you can’t believe Hamas who can you believe
just pointing out that there should be some skepticism from an account with ~2k followers and something called viral news nyc.
Here you go
Dude keeps posting tweets from an organization that has spent DECADES lying about shit
No one, not even the US had issues with Palestinian government's reporting on their populations health until this war began. Suddenly they can't be trusted despite having a very good track record, but the IDF can be trusted despite lying all the fucking time? NAHHHH
there should also be some skepticism from the IDF.
like you're not going to change anyone's mind and you're obviously pretty dug into what you believe.
just wanted to point out that some sources are more reliable than others.
he’s literally repeated netanyahu talking points in this thread. he’s not going to question the idf
right. So there’s no source good enough
what are the reliable sources other than Hamas
just caught up on the thread from last week.
last time someone said you were posting pure propaganda, you had the same pathetic reaction and wow all those smoking gun tweets are gone now because they obviously were incredibly biased if not outright false
you're such a disgusting pos about this shit
rinse and repeat, fucko