Season 5 - Show Thread. The Unsullied. Keep it that way

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  1. TLAU

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    I don't see Stannis being a "monster" at all... he just has dumb blind faith to a religion that likes to burn people and his back is against the wall. can't say that religions don't make people do fucked up things all the time and just blame it on beliefs that something good will come of it... doesn't make the scene any less fucked up but if you're gonna call someone a "monster" it's pretty stupid to label Stannis that instead of Melisandre. Stannis was completely against it when she first brought it up because he thought he had other options and could take Winterfell without going to measures that extreme. Then you got red bitch whispering in his ear all day everyday, seige of Winterfell looking more and more hopeless (not to mention now they apparently wouldn't have been able to make it back to the wall either) and then Ramsey comes along and burns all their food and a shitload of horses.

    Guy literally had no options either burn his daughter or everyone in that camp, himself and his daughter included, dies. sucks and those screams gave me night sweats but i put most of it on Melisandre, not Stannis. Almost 7 seasons done and the show has given us ~3 minutes of compassion from his character in the entire show. If it weren't for the one scene with him and Shireen I probably would have expected him to burn her the first time Melisandre brought it up.

    Did Drogon run out of fire fuel? Looked like he was dry heaving there after he started getting speared. and with him in the ring with all those people he really did look kinda small. They have been growing at an alarming pace between seasons though so I'm gonna assume the next time we see them (unless it's next episode) then he's gonna be a decent amount bigger and able to fuck more shit up. I think Danny realized he wasn't ready to dominate yet once he took the 3rd spear. More Dracaurus training asap

    Chuckled pretty good at how fast Jorah went from in the fighting pit to in Danny's friend zone shaking her hand right after her husband got got. guy has perseverance
     
  2. LeonardWashington

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    Dany also has a very inconsistent temperament on the show. One minute she is too squeamish and is totally bothered by the violence that is going to occur in the pits and then threatens her own husband with reducing the city to rubble if that's what it takes. Quite the change and she is like that often. One minute she is all for peace and limiting violence but then other times she's of the "by any means necessary/kill em all if I have to" violent mindset. Seems to be a very inconsistent ruler and often indecisive. Maybe I guess it is like what her husband was hinting at...if the end goal fits her moral agenda she is ok with using violence, even a shitload of it, to accomplish it but if it falls outside of her ethical code she is bothered by it.

    Que the "THAT'S A WOMAN FOR YA!!!" posts
     
  3. TLAU

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    Hey even queens have menstrual cycles
     
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  4. DuckD

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    He isn't yet. Let's see what happens when he has no options in the books.
     
  5. DuckD

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    This. So much this.

    Don't understand why people are having a hard time getting this.
     
  6. bic

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    This is why I've never been Team Stannis. All these people always loved him ("Stannis the Mannis!") and I never understood why. As a non-religious person he's just not appealing. He's had moments where he's been great but I always go back to his first scenes on the show where he's burning people for this religion.

    I do understand that this religion on the show is different from real life where the show religion has actually shown real results (shadow baby killing Renly, bringing that dead guy back a 6th or 7th time, etc.) but it's still always been too much for me to be anywhere close to joining Team Stannis.

    His actions last night actually give me some hope that the Boltons and GOAT character Ramsay somehow prevail.
     
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  7. 47 straight

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    Meh, he has always been honorable. Well, maybe not. I guess he did kill his brother but at least that pillow biter has a chance.

    My predictions:

    -arya acts as a child prostitute, kills merin cunt
    -Khaleesi releases the other two dragons
    -Stannis gets killed by Jon.
    -Davos kills melisandre.
    -Reek kills Ramsay after a scrum with brienne.
    -Cersei trial. Confesses. Public shaming, she releases frankenmountain and he, along with Jaime & Bronn, destroys the faith.
     
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    if the show has taught me anything, Stannis allowing his daughter to be burned alive gets him at least 7-8 more episodes now that people hate him (moreso than before). I could see Davos killing one of them though but he's kind of a puss so he'll probably just give him an onion speech and then go back to brown nosing
     
  9. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Drogon is still a puppy basically. He can fight in terms of survival instincts and killing for food but he isn't battle ready to be killing mass amounts of people yet. Danny's ancestors that conquered Westeros had been using dragons for warfare for centuries before Aegon landed on King's Landing. Before the Doom of Valaryia there were thousands of silver haired, purple eyed people riding on the backs of dragons to go down to the corner store for a deuce deuce and bag of Doritos.
     
  10. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Also, Aegon rode Balerion the Black Dread whose size was posted on a chart on the last page. He could swallow 2 oxes and the cart in one bite. The damn thing melted the most badass castle on the continent and everyone inside at Harrenhall to the point where centuries later no one still wants to live there because of the tales of how horrific it was. The Dance of Dragons that Shireen was taking about is a bad ass short story Martin wrote where they were fighting over the Iron Throne on dragons. Lots and lots of dragons.
     
  11. 47 straight

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    Yes, and conveniently it was Shireen telling the story in a Baratheon camp and if you take out the dragons, you've got a similar story to that of Renly v Stannis and then what has happened with Stannis sense then.
     
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    So did anyone else catch the fact that during the Sons of the Harpy's attack in the fighting pits that Jorah touched Danys hand, basically infecting her with greyscale?

    Then she touches Missandei's hand right when they were about to get got, thus infecting her too?

    IDK how grey scale works, but those two things seemed like too small of an occurrence to warrant a close up shot for both accounts.

    And does grey scale transfer to animals? (i.e. Drogon)?
     
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    Think it has been covered since Jorah got it that we pretty much just don't know how its spread
     
  14. LeonardWashington

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    maybe it only get's spread once you're a full on stone man?
     
  15. Hoss Bonaventure

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    My brother is just a show watcher and asked the same thing. Jorah got cut by a full blown stone man. That stone man has had greyscale for years and would be contagious, but even then he scraped Jorah which is how he got it. It's not highly contagious. Shireen got it as an infant because she was an infant and more susceptible to it, hence why no one else who touched the doll caught it except for her. Full on stone men means that that the grey scale isn't just on the surface but has covered all of the inside of the body as well and corrupted the brain to the point of madness. It's almost like syphillis.
     
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    I believe you have to touch the infected part, which is more forearm/wrist on Jorah not his hand.
     
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    In the books...
    Greyscale is to Essos what the White Walkers are to Westeros.There's power in dragon blood, though. Dany is supposedly still alive despite being very sick from the released Book 6 chapters. Hopefully an antidote is found. Missandei though...
     
  18. DuckD

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    Right, otherwise Davos would be chock full of it after his display of affection with Shireen.
     
  19. zeberdee

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    regardless of how contagious it is, we can all agree is extremely weird for Jorah to be grabbing hands with the woman he worships when he knows he has it.
     
  20. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Yeah it doesn't work like that. None of the people that treated her got it either. None of the servants or staff of anything. She was a crying, shitting, pissing, puking baby with it in a world without antiseptics so that's a good example about how hard it is to spread.
     
  21. DuckD

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    We're agreeing. It's more difficult to get than just a little touch
     
  22. Hoss Bonaventure

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    None of this story arc happens in the books, but I'm just going off what is mentioned about the disease in them. The whole series is based on the War of the Roses and I believe syphillis was rampant during that era so I could see Martin using grey scale as a far worse, fantasy disease in its place.
     
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    not weird at all. motherfucker has been dreaming about holding her hand for an entire season. he's gonna masturbate with grayscale later just thinking about holding her hand
     
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    Book fags when this season ends how far along the books wil we have gotten? I know this season was a mix of books 4 and 5 and some of 6 but when its over will be at relatively the same point the books were? As a reference point when does dany riding drogon occur in ADWD?
     
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    It'll be close. Some plot points have advanced (Selmy RIP), others are way off the rails (Sansa virginity RIP), and, as far as I know, there is only one storyline that it looks like won't be as far advanced. Not gonna hint on that one here.
     
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    I'm having trouble seeing how Stannis burning his daughter being anything good. I feel like it's only going to end badly for him. The reactions of his soldiers to her burning seemed as though it were very demoralizing, adding on to the already bad situation they were in.
     
  27. TLAU

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    well i mean if you watched the previews... spoilered for those who don't

    they're "trapped" and all of their food just got burned so they just began the process of being stranded in the tundra to starve to death. So that's probably a factor in the demoralized look. But the previews show them getting warm weather that melts the snow/ice enough for them to continue their march on Winterfell - and it is presumed to be because they made a sacrifice to the red god who does heat-y things. So yes this would be very very good instead of the entire army starving/freezing to death
     
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    It's neither here nor there because it's a fake disease in a fantasy novel, but to me, I always thought greyscale was more analogous to Leprosy to me.
     
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    Yep, much better comparison. Grey scale is much more like leprosy. Didn't even connect the 2 till now. Nice one.
     
  30. allothersnsused

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  31. Why?Pokes

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    When you first meet Stannis, in the show and books, the story reveals that he recently began practicing human sacrifice to appease his blood god.
     
  32. jorge

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    This is the same Stannis. In his mind he's not sacrificing Shireen for himself, he's sacrificing her for the realm.
     
  33. voltime

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    Lol Stannis is not a monster in the books? We read a completely different Stannis then, he cares about himself and only himself. The fact that Martin gave the okay to this shows this was within his character in the books, book readers like myself should have nothing to say but sadly they had a false sense of reality in regards to Stannis.
     
  34. jorge

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    Yup. He in it for himself. :meh:
     
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  35. voltime

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    You realize Martin signed off on this right? How do you explain that away? Also just pulling random quotes out of the book from spots isn't a valid character study on how Stannis felt on the inside, were talking about a person who burned people to sacrifice to the red god where is the honor in that? His honor always was to further his own destiny throughout the books.
     
  36. FearMySpear

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    Did no one else notice Meryn Trant either did or was on verge of recognizing Arya. If she tries to take him out I think she either botches it and dies (damn you GRRM:whyioughta:) or Hopefully she utilizes the other girl studying to be a faceless man to assist and catch him off guard
     
  37. jorge

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    Those aren't random book spots. Those are a look at the characters motivation. In his mind he's doing this for the realm. Where did I even bring up Martin?

    Give me some quotes from the show or books that backup that he's in it for himself. I think he's misguided but ultimately believes he's saving the realm.
     
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  38. voltime

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    There you go, you just said it yourself, the fact that he thinks he is saving the realm...Saving it from what jorge? Why does he feel it is his to save? The only reason he wants to sit on the iron throne is for his own personal gain and destiny, he can say whatever he wants but he is not saving anything I don't see how anybody can truly believe that. I don't need to quote the book when it was that obvious to me in the books, he can say it is his by right all he wants but since when is power ever been anyone's right? You either have it or you take it by force.
     
  39. jorge

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    Uh the coming forces of darkness and winter?

    Your reading comprehension is truly awful. I'm not saying he's right but his motives aren't as heinous as the acts themselves.

    He believes he has a duty to his brother, his family and the realm. Also, it would be a lot more worth engaging you if you didn't have a reputation as a bigoted troll.
     
  40. Fidelio

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    Interesting point v counter point. What was stannis's rationale for going north? Was it strategic in order to conquer the north and position himself for the iron throne or was he trying to present an opposition to the forces beyond the wall and save the realm? Perhaps both? Always seemed to me that he had grandios ambitions to be more than just the one true King.
     
  41. voltime

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    Lol yeah his duty to his brother which he hated, they both hated each other. None of his brothers liked him and both thought he was odd, sure he did his duty. But do you really believe he is doing this because of his duty? Give me a break, I really don't see how anyone doesn't think he was doing this for his own destiny. Honestly do you really believe he was gonna be a good ruler? One with honor and duty? Come on dude take your love affair for Stannis away for a bit and really delve deep into his character not what he says but the reality in what he is saying. His motives have always been different than his supposed duty, if it was truly about duty then melisandra and this religion would not matter to him.
     
  42. ANTWONE

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    voltime you are fucking terrible... do everyone else a favor and disappear from this board
     
  43. voltime

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    lol why? Is it because I didn't look past Stannis character flaws like a lot book readers did? And by pointing those obvious flaws out I'm a terrible person? no maybe you should leave this thread because you are a faggot and are breaking the first rule of this board "Don't be a bitch"
     
  44. ANTWONE

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    You are being a huge faggot in the three main threads on this board. You are a fucking imbecile and it's hurting my head having to read your drivel.
     
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  45. jorge

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    Holy shit. I by no mean am looking past character flaws, but a conflicted character with tragic motivation is a whole lot more compelling than an evil selfish character. I'm sorry you can't deal with characters that aren't absolute. It must be boring.
     
  46. voltime

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    Tragic motivation? How tragic was his life truly? He feels he is the rightful king but is there such a thing as a rightful king? Sorry I'm not buying his life as tragic. And ANTWONE wtf are you talking about? Yes in the past I have been a troll but if you have read any of these threads I'm not the only book reader who has this opinion of Stannis. I mean for fucks sake the show writers have that opinion of Stannis with Martin's approval, so apparently they are trolls too.
     
  47. jorge

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    Jesus have you never studied Greek literature? I don't mean that his life has been tragic :roll:
     
  48. Krieger

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    its voltime he spoilered that ned died in during season 1

    why hes not banned on this board is beyond me
     
  49. voltime

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    Have you even studied literature? If you are going to make a reference to Greek literature you should at least explain what it is you're trying to convey in the sentence not leave it up to the reader to come up with something entirely different then what you are saying now you are just being an asshole
     
  50. Jack Parkman

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    so did Davos know it was a wrap for the daughter and thats why he he asked to bring her with him and then gave her the horse he made?