Snobby pool thread

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  1. blind dog

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    The hot tub is higher than pool so water goes down until same level as pool, other than that no

    And spa mode being fucky is random. In summer doesn't really matter (unless its bad how I'm rigging it up, i have no clue) but when it's cold takes forever to heat hot tub up. But either way you have to watch it, put it on spa mode and come back 20 minutes later and its already under the blower things
     
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  2. a.tramp

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    If you have check valves on your spa return or spa feature line (if present), they could be failing. Check the check valves.
     
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  3. a.tramp

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    Drink half the amount of beer as well as stop paying people on the internet to do, or not do in some cases, random shit until you have pennies stashed away for the quote I sent you. Then I will come fix everything and you will be good.

    Oh wait, prices have gone up since then as well as there is no more equipment. Lol.
     
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  4. bigred77

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    In other words
    Call tramp then bitch on the internet about how it's taking so long and costing twice as much as he said it would
     
  5. a.tramp

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    Also, I just counted up a backlog of 113 open jobs that I have. Half of those are either freeze related or need parts/equipment that can not be gotten. Half of the remaining need parts or equipment that I can not get so have not even been to job. The remaining are just for general equipment maintenance/inspection and there will be plenty of additional things discovered that I can not address currently.

    This is hell. I am so over it. We are being told earliest possible ship date for some things is in the fall. Customers do not understand.
     
  6. blind dog

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    That’s a terribly inaccurate recap

    I absolutely want to pay him to replace entire system, just trying to get as much mileage as possible out of current equipment. And I’m not bitching at him about anything
     
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  7. a.tramp

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    All of this to say, if you are a pool owner and have any equipment that is old or about to fail, I would see if it is available in your area and buy it. If not, I would advise you to go ahead and order it.
     
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  8. a.tramp

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    Hey, if we can’t bust balls are we even really men?
     
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  9. blind dog

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    bae you are always allowed too <3
     
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  10. bigred77

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    :gbh:
     
  11. pperc

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    This was exactly my thought if he was losing water while pump was off. It was going backwards potentially.
     
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  12. pperc

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    Was hearing that pool salt is hard to get right now... wtf
     
  13. blind dog

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    I bought 120 pounds from Sams a few weeks ago and they had a fuckton
     
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  14. a.tramp

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    I have not heard about the salt yet but tabs are an issue for sure.

    For people that use trichlor tabs, secure a bucket sooner than later as it WILL be a huge issue this summer.
     
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  15. pperc

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    Yeah my pool guy who helped during opening told me that salt was hard to find up here. I have my doubts, and I’ll be going myself this weekend for 9 40 lb bags.
     
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  16. kinghill

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    Sold house with pool couple years ago and moved to place with a community pool. Soooooooooooooooooo much better. The water is always the same temp and I don't have to do any of the cleaning/maintenance (of course I pay for it via HOA). But anyway I definitely prefer it. Florida year-round pool swimming availability... just a minute walk to the pool. #Blessed
     
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  17. blind dog

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    I’ve had hot tub naughty sessions at least 4 times so you can keep your community pool
     
  18. kinghill

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    I'll keep my naughty sessions in the kitchen, living room, bathroom, hotel stairwell, and bedroom, thanks. Have fun with that though.
     
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  19. bigred77

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    Kitchen?
    U nasty
     
  20. Zack Zedalis

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    You have no idea
     
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  21. pperc

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    May as well take the opportunity to rid yourself of trichlor tabs altogether jmo imo don’t @ me
     
  22. a.tramp

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    lol, and install a salt cell? Yeah, there are basically none available.
     
  23. a.tramp

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    Yeah, well like, why don’t you have a beer with me some time to fill me in on it?
     
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  24. ned's head

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    I'd wager that his community pool has been party to at least 4 naughty sessions as well. That water must be like a suicide drink of semen
     
  25. pperc

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    liquid chlorine, brother. yes, you have to do it daily. but up the CYA a little, raise your FC levels and just take the 5-10 minutes a day to test and add chlorine.
     
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  26. a.tramp

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    90% of pool owners can not even be bothered to look at their pool daily to make sure the water level is correct and their equipment is not burning up. You need to realize that you are in the extreme minority in regards to handling your own pool stuff. For most customers, daily maintenance on a pool is a no go, especially year round in the south.

    Liquid chlorine is great, but you are vastly overestimating the majority of pool owners’ desire and/or ability to keep up with it. Most pool owners that handle maintenance do not even check chemicals weekly, let alone daily. They just wait until “something is wrong” and take a water sample into their nearest pool store for checking.
     
  27. blind dog

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    i feel attacked :/
     
  28. a.tramp

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    Quick question, tell me what pool chemicals you keep at your house year round for the pool and how often you check chemicals.
     
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  29. blind dog

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    [​IMG]
     
  30. Boo MFer!

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    Trick question. He doesn’t keep ANY pool chemicals at his house at all.
     
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  31. a.tramp

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    If your answer is less than 7 chemicals or you can not at least tell me what those are, you are in good company with the majority of pool owners that maintain the pool themselves.

    And to be clear, a large deal of pool cleaning companies fall in the same boat.
     
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  32. Boo MFer!

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    Take it to the Sarah Chalke nudes thread.
     
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  33. blind dog

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    off the top of my head i keep salt, baking soda, muriatic acid, shock and maybe some phosfree (sp)

    :smugdog:
     
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  34. a.tramp

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    Not bad, you are slightly above average on that front!
     
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  35. pperc

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    i hate those lazy fucks.
     
  36. pperc

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    i know, i know. i am just hoping to convince some TMB'ers to see the light. many of us are decent DIYers
     
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  37. pperc

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    Bingo. And that's the problem. The 19 year old kid who comes to take care of your pool has no idea how the chemistry works or what the chemicals actually do. No one will ever care more about your shit than you.

    That said, let me count what i have on hand typically:
    1. liquid chlorine
    2. muriatic acid (20 baum)
    3. cyanuric acid
    4. DE

    That's it. I just get the salt and calcium i need at startup and maybe need to grab once during the season to top off. When I close I use algaecide the day before. My pH only goes up so don't even have baking soda on hand. And MY TA stays locked in at 70-80 all summer.
     
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  38. Zack Zedalis

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    Liquid chlorine is only behind salt generation when it comes to items that won’t be in/on my pool.
     
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  39. pperc

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    Dare I ask why? Can you explain the chemistry reasons why you are against either?
    How do you sanitize your pool?
     
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  40. blind dog

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    Zack Zedalis

    I’m getting FOMO about chemicals. Was at Sams yesterday and they only had half of a pallet of salt so I bought 3 bags even tho I don’t need it right now

    what all else is essential I should stock up on?
     
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  41. Zack Zedalis

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    Currently the industry has a shortage on 3in tabs, dichlor, and non chlorine shock, but other items are flowing well. The big box stores should be stocked most of the season, but you may not see filler stock after they run out.
    It never hurts to have some cal hypo shock on hand as a back up, an algaecide, & some clarifier.
     
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  42. Zack Zedalis

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    The byproduct of liquid bleach is salt, that continuously increases your tds and an elevated rate, liquid breaks down quickly in storage, and it isn’t great on your pool surface.
    If you ever saw all the sediment in the bottom of a bleach tank you’d wonder what you were putting in your pool
     
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  43. pperc

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    Thanks. Many know I’m a PhD virologist from the Covid threads. I Also have some chemistry training, so I can dive deep on the science here.

    You are certainly right that liquid chlorine puts chloride salt into the pool faster than a puck. That said, one can monitor salt and TDS. The contribution of salt from sodium hypochlorite is easily manageable to me vs say increasing amounts of cyanuric acid from stabilized pucks or adding calcium with cal-hypo.

    Agreed that you can’t store liquid chlorine for years. But you can easily store many gallons for a pool season up here without significant potency loss (out of sunlight and extreme heat). At 78 half life is 180 days. That’s a full season and I refresh my stock about 4 times a season.

    I don’t know what a “bleach tank” is. If it’s metal or something sodium hypochlorite can corrode that would explain it. Should have no effect on your pool plaster or liner if you add it properly - slowly, deep end, in front of a return. People put pucks in their skimmers so I get why you wouldn’t trust people to do this properly, though.

    I do know what I’m putting in my pool with liquid chlorine. Water and sodium hypochlorite. No cyanuric acid, no calcium, so neither will go to excess. Those solids can present real problems for your pool water chemistry. Chloride not so much.

    like anything in life, there are trade offs to chlorine sanitation options and I find that Chloride salt is the least of an issue.

    I also have a salt water generator so your hatred for them only that much more intrigued me.

    getting very nerdy from the internetz:

     
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  44. Zack Zedalis

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    I appreciate your career choice and willingness to look things up, but there are plenty of pieces out there that contradict what you are reading. I grew up running a service route for the pool store my family owns, worked at the largest independent pool dealer in FL while in college, & have spent the last 20 years working professionally in the industry so what I share comes from experience. I’m not telling you to change what you do, but letting others know there are better options out there that are better for their pools.
     
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  45. pperc

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    I’m not just looking them up. I’m making sure I understand the actual chemistry behind them becuase I have the scientific training to do so. I have found that there is a ton of old, yet non-scientifically accurate information in the pool industry. Online articles thatll just ignore the relationship between cyanuric acid and HCO- effectiveness. Defaulting to “I just know better” didn’t work for me in the Covid thread. I had to provide detailed information and explanation over and over and over. Experience is great, and to me that means you are in a great position to evaluate and understand technical information and what it means. Can you share the pieces you mentioned that are contradictory so that I can understand the science behind them? Or if you’d like to contradict a specific point I made with technical / scientifically accurate specifics I would appreciate learning.
     
  46. blind dog

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    What’s the square root of your pool?
     
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  47. pperc

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    42
     
  48. Hank Scorpio

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    Update: Electrical got relocated a week after this post and the dig happened the following week. Unfortunately, the next day a big storm collapsed the walls.

    Thankfully, Mrs. Scorpio can't help but befriend everyone she meets, so the digger had a "mix up" on where he was supposed to go and redug the pool a few days later.

    The shell got shot last week, so hopefully the most volatile period of the build is behind us.
     
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  49. stringmusic24

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    Yesterday I came home from a day out of town to find our pool level down about a foot. I filled it back up last night and found the level down another four inches this morning, so safe to say I’ve got a leak. It’s leaking even with the pump idle and the level is dropping well below the skimmer lines, so it’s probably in our main drain lines. FML. We had 6 or 7 inches of rain in an afternoon last week, so I assume that’s our cause.
    Any recommendations on dealing with this? I can’t imagine this will be cheap.
     
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  50. bigred77

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    Fill it with concrete