If they add 10 cars day 1, it won't be an issue. As their company owned fleet grows and Joe Driver starts getting cut out, it'll become an issue. The fact that you're stuck on day 1 and cant see the long term affect is hilarious.
What's more, Uber has been doubling drivers every year or so. There is Def capacity to introduce cars and not ruin existing drivers
"almost worth having in ten years" seems like it fits right in with the 15 year timeline. waymo is, iirc, currently using autonomous vehicles in or around phoenix for a taxi service. i think people are crazy if they expect a broad rollout across all cities/weather/types of cars sooner than 10+ years even assuming things continue to test well.
Jonas was also the biggest sunshine pumper for a long time other than Cathie wood and gerber If he has finally seen the light that is no bueno for Elon
Are they growing or just churning drivers though? I could see a lot not turning the app on to drive once they get more stable work or whatever reason they use for using the app
A lot of that is due to how they have treated their drivers and their drivers opting to go elsewhere. I'm sure cutting the work available for their drivers with robo taxis will help their driver relations.
I would love an struck Mileage I the issue. My deer camp isn't putting in a charging outlet, neither are camping sites
No man, that's because there is demand for more drivers bc there are more fares being booked. As business continues to grow, instead of recruiting new drivers to fill the need, they could introduce driverless cars instead. You don't get it and this is worthless
Do you really think every "Billy from Slapout" is gonna be trading in their pickup, which can haul stuff and drive on dirt roads, for an autonomous vehicle that very likely can neither haul stuff nor drive itself on dirt roads? Or that Billy can afford an autonomous vehicle? Or that he uses Uber/Lyft in the first place?
I'd rather have driverless cars to cut down on lawsuits Don't get me wrong, still have to pay for benefits for the cars. Even they should have employer paid insurance.
How do people not get that Uber's endgame is driverless cars? Do you think they've just been incinerating money for fun? The current app exists to mine epic amounts of data about traffic, demand and routing as well as build a brand identity. Then once they have fully automated cars, start making money. They've been pretty open about this.
Ahh yes, Uber has a great relationship with their drivers and adding Uber owned vehicles to gobble up a share of the rides wont cause an issue at all. Got it.
I've told you it will be gradual. There aren't enough vehicles to even do a massive installation of them. Of course doing this for the first time ever is not simple Uber is going to and already has driverless Uber's on the road. They will only increase. It's their entire business plan.
In fairness, your "the drivers will get pissed and stop driving for them" take isn't exactly dripping with nuance.
Stop looking at this strictly logically/numerically. This is a company that essentially defines the generation of people buying their product. People have an emotional attachment to Tesla. It is the poster child of the movement against Big Oil, so all of the new money tech people (who abhor the oil industry) will continue to back Tesla, even if it looks illogical to do so.
all of that* doesn't help tesla pay its customers or its employees *and tesla's brand isn't as strong as you think imo considering it has horrific service operations towards its existing customers. tesla has already fallen a bunch: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-reputation-with-consumers-took-big-hit-new-poll-2019-3 and things will only get worse if they continue to struggle financially (which hurts them operationally, presumably).
He doesn't look at it logically or numerically, the guy doesn't under stand even how Uber would raise capital he just follows twitter. At this point in Teslas story you can't just go off the emotional attachment or the hype Elon creates, the plain and simple thing is Tesla needs to sell cars at volume. You either believe that things in Q1 were one off and deliveries Q2/Q3 will show a bounce back or you believe demands fallen off the cliff. To answer your question without any new information out, analysts will knock this stock down sub $180 would be my guess.
On the other hand owners love it still https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-tops-consumer-reports-owner-satisfaction-list-2019-2
I guess I was thinking way further down the road when it’s a more normal thing, not the immediate future. If long term goal is that all of our cars are autonomous, Uber/Lyft will be greatly reduced.
The trucking industry specifically should be spearheading autonomous vehicle R&D. The average age of an OTR trucker is 55 IIRC, and the demand for freight companies’ services will only continue use to increase, while at the same time starting next year the requirements for a CDL will only get tougher/more expensive. It’s already hard enough to hire people with a CDL or at least hire people without one that are willing to get one
You guys all realize that they could still have “drivers” in a model where U would basically rent your car to Uber when ur not using it and just take care of the maintenance and recharge costs right?
What you said isn't true and doesn't make sense. And I still don't get this fantasy that people want trucks going down the road without someone behind the wheel. It's actually hilarious to me.
It's not hard to get a CDL. And trucking Co. will pay for it sometimes. Put simply it's slavery. The main issue is insurance. Trucking Co are willing to put anyone behind the wheel and let them hang themselves. They don't give a shit about their employees. Autonomous trucks aren't going to fix the underlying issues in the industry. Which I could spend days posting about. And it won't fucking work. Theyres way too much responsibility that goes into driving a truck that everyone is just looking past.
It never will work. When we have autonomous vehicles, our cars can come to us. A family can share one/two vehicle. There will be no need for Uber or Lyft. It will put them out of business.
Fully possible. I guess it would only become a reality if Lidar was necessary and the cost per car was still very high.
I dunno, this one poster just brought up how much more expensive it is to own a car than just use rideshare. Seems like there's room for them to exist based on that.
Nah, i could see Uber and Lyft surviving with a large percentage of those who they serve today, those who do not want to invest in their own vehicle and travelers. Rather than renting a car, travelers can leverage lyft and uber as they travel and those who work and live downtown who do not own a car can still use their services. However I do agree the need for their services will decrease significantly.
How are people going to reduce their cost of ownership of driverless vehicles by letting rideshares use them, if those rideshares are put out of business by those driverless vehicles, as you said would happen a couple posts ago?
I don't see the "hacker" fear that many do. Banking software also has a threat to be hacked, yet we use it as banks spend a lot of time leveraging security teams to ensure their platforms are hardened against attacks. In addition, the time and reward for hacking a car, would be minimal at best. Unless you are trying to kill the passengers in the car, what is the benefit? If you want to kill the people in the car, there are much easier methods. If you wish to steal the car, that is possible today and with a networked car, it would be even harder to hide. So I fail to see the real threat here. From a legislative perspective, i think that is a challenge to overcome but education can assist with this. Once people see how much safer autonomous vehicles CAN be, it will seem crazy to think that we allowed human beings to drive vehicles.
Its the same thing as a person driving a car. Uber/Lyft wouldn't take 100% of the revenue. Their model is on providing a platform to connect drivers and riders. They take a percentage for facilitating this connection and ensuring the driver/vehicle is up to par. The owner of the vehicle would still collect a significant amount of the revenue earned. The ride would cost Uber pennies (as they depreciate the investment in the app) and would cost the owner of the vehicle a large amount in energy costs and vehicle maintenance. The owner collects a larger percentage of the revenue to offset their larger costs.