I'm there with you Mister Me Too I don't know that I'll ever be on board with eliminating the death penalty. Just one of those things. But wait, we're disagreeing with posters in here, aren't we supposed to be getting bullied and ran off?
Conservatives being pro death penalty is so ironic...but then again, literally all their positions are ironic.
To be fair we aren't being bullied because we are getting owned and making shitty arguments, had we been owning them with intellectual arguments like "lol libtard", "liberal tears" and "we won" then they would have definitely lashed out at us.
I'm not completely pro death penalty. But I'm not going to lie, there's a petty, evil part of me that would probably enjoy seeing people like Dylan Roof or Jarred from subway publicly hung.
But I do think that every means should be exhausted to ensure the person is guilty. Yes I know that's expensive. I'm sure we can find the money by cutting out some needless shit.
I'm not going to really care if Dylan Roof is executed. I don't particularly like state sanctioned murder and the cost associated with it.
i'm pretty happy right now the state has had enough of this shitdick, and this is the first positive step in a while
so maybe there's something to DEAD7 's viewpoint on collapse of the state actually being a good thing for disenfranchised communities. Interview with a Stanford prof who wrote a book about historical examples of eliminating income inequality, and collapse of the state is one of the 4 main ways it happens. Along with plague, mass warfare and horrific revoluationary violence. http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/apocalypse-is-the-only-path-to-equality-says-the-new-p-1792442570 Can you explain why state collapses bring about leveling, rather than just hurting everyone equally? Scheidel: It hurts everyone, but not equally, for the simple reason that some people have much more to lose. It’s really extremely straightforward logic, if you look at it. If you have a lot of stuff, and you have stuff either because the state protects you or you benefit actively by being on top of that state, if the state goes away, you’re really very exposed, and may well lose your title and your rights and claims to various resources. Poor people may lose some, but if they lose too much they’re going to starve to death. But a rich person can lose 90% and still be around. Everyone is worse off, but the rich more so because they have more to lose. That holds true all the way up to Somalia [in the 1990s].
I just don't see the collapse of the state doing anything for minorities here. Even if the top 1% lost 90%, they'd still be infinitely richer than everyone else (not too mention they have more options to insulate themselves) and would just consolidate power again. And considering the top 1% are generally old white dues, I have a hard time believing helping minorities would be high on their list. Or they'd all dip the fuck out and take all the wealth with them and leave us in a third world state which isn't going to help anyone. And Trump and his cronies aren't trying to collapse the state (Bannon excluded), they are trying to keep old rich white dudes in power and make them richer. That's not going to do a thing to help any minority and his support of Trump thinking that this is going to happen is just really dumbfounding to me.
I'm not making the claim that he is right to support Trump. I don't think Trump as a change agent is going to collapse the state the way D7 wants. All I'm doing is saying this guy who has spent a couple years researching this stuff and writing a book on it says state collapse is one of the great levelers of economic disparity.
Oh I wasn't saying your defending his view. I'm like you, the kind of collapse Trump would bring is not the kind of collapse that dead7 wants to happen. I'll be skeptical of even a total collapse leveling the playing field here when the wealth gap is as high as it is here. It just seems like they have so much wealth that'd they would be able to survive and then just buy up all the means of production again. I'd rather not see if that does happen though.
So the poor risk starving to death but the rich having more lose money to lose makes them the ones that are worse off? It also seems as though this is taking a very simple view of the economy as confined to one state instead of looking at it as a global economy.
You're not wrong, if more people admitted that there's a bit of catharsis in the symbolic act of justice/retribution then we might be able to more honestly assess something like the death penalty and it's moral cost/benefit. Talking about foundation level concepts of justice is one of those elitist philosophical conversations though
I believe that there are real monsters in this world. They look human but they do incredibly inhumane things. I have no problem with them being killed.
I agree with you, I would also add that this country has to start getting serious about mental health because some of these monsters can be treated before they become monsters.
I'm all for capital punishment if we had an omniscient and just method of determining guilt. Since we don't, I'm against - though I agree that some people absolutely need to be erased from the Earth.
I hope Steve Bannon and other govt officials I can't name are hanged for treason so I can't really judge blood lust too much.
CNN promoting this debate between DNC leaders AS THE FINAL BATTLE is so annoying and why I hate cable news
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-only-poor-people-understand-about-poverty This should be required reading for everyone in the U.S.
Do any of y'all watch Hate Thy Neighbor on Vice? That show is pretty outstanding. If nothing else you should watch the episode about THEHEBREW1 's people.
Yep there's a few of us that watch. three stacks Joe Louis and I pretty much have a weekly chat about it lol. The timing of having an ep on Sweden's far right this week was pretty ironic
He does. Come join in the discussion https://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/viceland-thread.162656/page-13#post-11503667
I think it's unhealthy and hypocritical for a just society to condone killing via the death penalty. Many people deserve the death penalty, but the precident it sets makes society less safe imo.
7,000,000,000 people on this planet, I'm not about to concern myself with killing individuals that have been convicted of murder beyond a reasonable doubt. You get one shot at life, if someone robs that of you, there's only one punishment remotely equivalent to what they've taken from you.
The problem is that people get convicted of murder beyond a reasonable doubt that end up being innocent
I used to be in support of the death penalty. Shit like Making a Murderer ended that for me. I can accept outliers for other situations but executing an innocent man is about the worst thing a society can do.