The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Again, I'm going to probably give more weight to the people who live and experience some of the worst material conditions in the US than any other person (not you specifically) saying their thoughts are dumb. If the DNC listened to what these people actually wanted then we wouldn't have Trump.
     
  2. Truman

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    I fear we're going to get into a cycle where we're talking past each other. However, there's a big difference in dismissing their lived experience of the most damaging neocon and neo lib policies, their criticisms of it; and disagreeing with a few of their solutions to those problems. I think Ive been pretty clear Im not dismissive of the former. I do disagree w burning down the only power structure that offers a hope of reformation of the harmful policies and path forward to a labor friendly environment. The alternative is GOP controlled government and judiciary for generations.
     
  3. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Yeah I'm not saying you have to agree with them on everything, but given the earlier discussion about J.D. Vance completely misrepresenting what these people actually want it's important to elevate their actual voices even if it's something you don't agree with.
     
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    This is amazing
     
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  5. Truman

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    For the history nerds out there w an interest in the constitution - Started this book last night. It's a great short read (so far) on the development of the amendments right after the civil war. It was clearly written as a response to Trumpism and gives insight to the thought process so all the orginalist can shove it up their asses. Especially wrt to immigrants. Later in this chapter the author discusses this in regards to Chinese immigrants and their children as well.

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  6. Nandor the Relentless

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    Who is this Bingham person mentioned?
     
  7. Truman

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    He was a republican congressman that was one of the drafters of these amendments.
     
  8. timo

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  9. Iron Mickey

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    are we doing reformist reforms in the left thread?
     
  10. Joe_Pesci

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    The final round trivia question tonight involved being given two countries and naming their single common neighbor. There were four such pairs, so 12 countries total. The United States had invaded, bombed, went to war with, and/or overthrew the government in like 8 of them

    Mexico and Honduras: Guatemala
    Israel and Libya: Egypt
    Chile and Uraguay: Argentina
    France and Portugal: Spain
     
  11. Prospector

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    Superdelegate advocating for brokered convention is a lobbyist who donated only to GOP this cycle

    dk

    WILLIAM OWEN, a Tennessee-based Democratic National Committee member backing an effort to use so-called superdelegates to select the party’s presidential nominee — potentially subverting the candidate with the most voter support — is a Republican donor and health care lobbyist.

    Owen, who runs a lobbying firm called Asset & Equity Corporations, donated to Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D., and Sen. Dan Sullivan, R-Alaska, and gave $8,500 to a joint fundraising committee designed to benefit Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky in 2019.

    “I am a committed Democrat but as a lobbyist, there are times when I need to have access to both sides and the way to get access quite often is to make campaign contributions,” said Owen, in a brief interview with The Intercept. — theintercept.com/...

    Those three paragraphs especially the quote at the end really says it all doesn’t it? As per FEC records Owen has only given to Republican candidates this cycle. He appears to have made no donations to any Democratic presidential candidate.

    Millions of ordinary Democrats will vote and caucus to help select a nominee. Activists will pour their hearts out working hundreds of hours organizing primary voters. And the DNC just hands over to this individual the power to wield the equivalent of 100,000 times the value of your vote. He is so secure in his position he is happy to tell journalists he makes campaign contributions to Mitch McConnell to gain access.

    This is the system we are dealing with.

    Owen was one of the superdelegates interviewed by NY Times this week about a brokered convention. A large number of the superdelegates interviewed said they would work to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination, even if he won more votes and pledged delegates than other candidates.

    It’s also worth noting that:

    Eliminating superdelegates had been a top priority for Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the wake of the 2016 primary. — www.npr.org/...

    As that quote makes clear, Senator Sanders’ objective was removing the influence of super delegates entirely. The DNC members (all superdelegates) didn’t want to lose this power, so they fought for a vote and got it, on the second ballot.

    In the last cycle over sixty superdelegates were lobbyists. The final list of super delegates hasn’t been published but that number will likely stay the same.

    So what should Sanders supporters do? There is only one answer. Work our tails off to win over 2000 pledged delegates, secure the nomination, control the DNC and end this undemocratic Superdelegate charade once and for all.

    — @subirgrewal
     
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  12. MtOread

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  13. Lyrtch

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    this is what people miss about the whole discussion of freedom

    thats a life of freedom, what we have here is not that

    edit: and the above post says it better
     
  14. dtx

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    well that's not very yass queen of rupaul now is it
     
  16. dtx

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    who we putting our weight behind next?

    AOC would be great, just don’t think it happens

    guess give me lee carter
     
  17. BellottiBold

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    The first person who suggests they support making the GOP die in chains.
     
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  18. dtx

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    feel like in the right political climate bernie would have done this tbh
     
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  19. timo

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    Lee Carter is a state delegate.
     
  20. dtx

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    i know
     
  21. dtx

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    pete was the mayor of fucking south bend
     
  22. Truman

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    There needs to be more than one person.

    Katie Porter, Pramilla Jayapal, Jamie Raskin, Shelia Jackson Lee, Ro Khanna ect.
     
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  23. dtx

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    i agree, i just think lee carter would actually have a shot

    not necessarily saying he’s the best but i do like him a lot

    white male, southern state, former marine

    plays well
     
  24. Truman

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    I hope Jason Kander can eventually get back into politics
     
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  26. Prospector

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  27. Name P. Redacted

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    love to lick faces

    no kink shaming
     
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    Would be interesting to see how that plays out with my company and the work we do for them.
     
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  30. Joe_Pesci

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    Chomsky was on the Useful Idiots podcast from last week. Man he sounds rough
     
  31. Lyrtch

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    that he continues to maintain his robust media schedule, and legit answers his own public email account, is astonishing for a guy in his 90's
     
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  32. Joe_Pesci

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    he's definitely lost a step. there were a few times when he kind of just went into a stream of consciousness diatribe and i was like "why is he talking about this"

    i kind of hate when people talk about liking someone's work because they are "so smart," but it's too bad that the social media era came in so late in his life because if you watch stuff with him even from early 2000s he was still extremely sharp
     
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  34. timo

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    straight up hope someone puts a couple fucking bullets in these motherfuckers' brains.
     
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  35. BWC

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    Cool cool world we live in
     
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  37. timo

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    meanwhile, things are going about as expected in Bolivia...
     
  38. Prospector

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    Democrats are using a data scientist’s secret sauce to flip Texas blue
    Taylor [email protected] / 8:59 am CDT • March 12, 2020

    Image Credits: David Paul Morris/Bloomberg / Getty Images

    For a political campaign, it’s not enough to pull together an army of bright-eyed, venti-caffeinated canvassers—you’ve got to tell them which doors to knock on. In Texas, the Democratic party is spearheading a data experiment that, if it works, could turn an emerging battleground state’s electoral outlook indigo by doing just that.

    In other states, parties rely on imperfect national datasets to determine who might become a Democratic voter, a critical function that optimizes the valuable time volunteers and coordinators spend convincing would-be voters to show up to the polls. But for a state like Texas, the normal models don’t work very well—and in true Texas fashion, the Lone Star State is going its own way.

    Texas Democratic Party Targeting Director Hudson Cavanagh told TechCrunch that his small team of strategists will leverage a new home-brewed machine learning model to mobilize the new voters the party views as mission critical.

    “We’re working on registering literally millions of voters across the state,” Cavanagh said.

    Lauren Pully, the state party’s data and analytics director, began bringing together resources for a better way of targeting voters in 2018. Cavanagh was brought into the mix fresh out of a New York startup early last fall to build it out and by primary season, the pair had their own proprietary model ready to go.

    Known as the “Texas model,” the data science project blends insights on the state’s unique voter makeup with a machine learning algorithm that can learn as it goes. The model helps coordinators determine a given person’s likely partisanship, a critical piece of knowledge for allocating campaign resources.

    Powered by open source Python packages developed at Google and other machine learning hubs, the project eschews the normal path for state parties, which generally hire expensive outside data firms that come up with cookie cutter models trained on national datasets.

    “It’s kind of a data scientist’s dream,” Cavanagh told TechCrunch. “We build models and they’re immediately tested in fields all across the state.”

    According to Cavanagh, normal partisanship models aren’t flexible and can’t be retrained to keep up with changes to state voter files and new data collected by campaign workers. Instead, “We’re using Texas to predict Texas,” Cavanagh told TechCrunch. “And we’re already outperforming any of the national models.”

    From a voter registration standpoint, a few things make Texas unique (likely more if you ask a Texan). For one, the state holds an open primary, meaning that Texas voters can cast a vote in either party’s primary, but not both. That fact, coupled with a massive influx of people moving into the state presents a logistical challenge for the Texas Democratic Party as it tracks potential voters.

    Now in action, the Texas model has already flagged 600,000 additional potential Democratic voters, people the traditional off-the-shelf model missed. Party representatives believe that somewhere between two-thirds and three-quarters of the 600,000 are likely Democrats, many of them new Texas residents, young voters and people of color. The new model fits hand-in-glove with the Texas Democrats’ newly announced initiative to register 2.6 million new voters.

    “We think it’s going to be the X-factor turning Texas blue,” Abhi Rahman, communications director for the Texas Democrats, told TechCrunch.

    According to Hudson, the state’s campaign stakeholders are also on board, proud to have a uniquely Texan secret weapon in the quest for a blue Texas. Hudson they’ve shown “tremendous” level of engagement with the tool.

    In Texas, the Republican electoral base, which skews older and whiter, has not blossomed along with the state’s population numbers. For Democrats, that presents a uniquely Texas-sized opportunity—and one not far out of reach. In 2018, Texas Senator Ted Cruz narrowly survived a Democratic challenge from Beto O’Rourke, hanging on by a remarkable 215,000 votes.

    Once blood red, the state’s shifting demographics make Texas a glittering prize for Democrats eager to see their state run blue. For a scrappy machine learning experiment seeking to shift the Lone Star state’s political fortunes, the proof will be in the pudding later in 2020.