The Left: Robespierre did nothing wrong

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  1. Nandor the Relentless

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    If NBA owners can amnesty shitty deals they make then Americans should be able to amnesty shitty debt they signed on to.
     
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    That would make the line go down
     
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    Big corps and Marxism. Like PB and J
     
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    maybe he’ll transport himself under a moving bus. get fucked.
     
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    whose man is this

     
  9. ashy larry

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    i can admire that level of class solidarity
     
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    She’s got nice bobs
     
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    3. In 2008, before he was elected, Obama lobbied on behalf of the bailouts. He promised then-Rep. Donna Edwards that if she voted for it, he would work to write off mortgage debt by changing bankruptcy laws. He was lying, his policy team had already dismissed that option.

    4. The Obama administration orchestrated a foreclosure crisis, and lied about their policy choice. To this day they will not admit it. Tim Geithner is the only honest one who did so, when he obliquely said their foreclosure mitigation programs were done to help banks.

    5. In many ways, Obama himself isn't totally at fault. There was an intellectual choice going back decades in progressive politics to ignore private power. The Congressional Progressive Caucus, for instance, was the most supportive caucus in Congress for bailouts.

    6. In virtually every area, with a few exceptions, policy shifted wealth and power upwards. To pick one at random, Cass Sunstein blocked this rule to help miners, because Sunstein is a sociopath. It’s Time for OIRA to Go

    7. But the point of focusing on Obama is not what he did or didn't do, but about what Democratic voters and progressives allowed him to do in their name. He is beloved. If he hadn't been, there would be no way for him to shift wealth and power upwards.

    8. I wrote a book to describe this shift in our minds, in our conception of what liberty and America means. It's a pretty gruesome change, but I had to find an explanation for why we cheered offshoring and corporate crime. And by 'we' I mean progressives. Goliath

    9. Ultimately, defenses of the Obama era come down to 'well all Presidents are bad' or 'he did the best he could.' But the real defense is 'Well he was just doing what he was taught to do and what we were taught to let our leaders do in our names.' That's grim.

    10. Obama represents an entire system by which Democrats and progressives give themselves social meaning, a secular saint. It's why it's so hard to recognize our own role, and why even critics look for answers in supposed revolutionary ideologies. Don’t Blame Capitalism

    11. It's why California, land of Democrats, is badly run and voted for Prop 22. It's why Buttigieg is going to be in the cabinet and Kamala is VP. It's Obama's Democratic Party. That may change. But first it's up to us to admit the reality of what we did. And it's not pretty.

    12. Reed Hundt, an ultimate Dem insider who was FCC Chair under Clinton and helped broker key cabinet choices, wrote the definite book on how the Obama administration operated. He did a true service in writing it, but he is now persona non grata. A Crisis Wasted

    13. We don't however need the policy analysis to believe our lying eyes. Despite endless bromides on the wonder of Obamacare, we are all familiar with the Gofundme medical begging that is now a routine part of American life. That's the real legacy, not of Obama, but of all of us.

    14. Trump campaigned on the closure of the Carrier plant after this video went viral. Obama's comment on Carrier was some jobs 'are just not going to come back.'

    15. The distrust of Biden comes from the hangover from the Obama era, but until we fully admit that Obama harmed people systemically and we cheered him on, we as a political faction will remain trapped in a fantasyland of moral vanity.

    16. Last point. Obama and Democrats weren't cautious, or conservative, nor did they leave the status quo in place. They pursued radical, unthinkable change through policy passivity during a crisis. America is a much weaker nation today, as those radicals shifted power upwards.

     
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    Not sure if I feel pleasure or sadness from this. Mostly pleasure, I think. It’s going to be so sweet when all of the Super Tuesday candidates who laid down in the mud for Biden to stumble over get absolutely nothing for their loyalty.
     
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  15. Croomsday

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    Remember when Trotsky got murked bc of his opposition to Stalin’s big holdings and private equity firm.
     
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    Apologies if this is the wrong thread or you all are completely over copy/pasting from Rivals posters, but man...


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  17. BellottiBold

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    Pass that to players imo

    Let it burn.
     
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    "The appointment could have “devastating consequences,” said Israel Bartal, a professor of modern Jewish history at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who said he would be forced to cut all contacts with Yad Vashem’s research institute after years of cooperation. “An institute headed by a person with such extreme opinions and controversial human values will never be taken seriously within the global academic community,” Mr. Bartal said.

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    Mr. Eitam once compared Israel’s Arab citizens to a cancer and a “ticking bomb” and said Israel would ultimately have to expel most Palestinians from the West Bank.

    During the first Palestinian uprising in the late 1980s, when he was a brigade commander, some of his soldiers were prosecuted for beating a Palestinian man to death. The soldiers said they had beat him on the commander’s orders."

    cool
     
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  19. BWC

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    Never forget*

    *until you start committing the same atrocities yourself
     
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  21. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Jfc, but don't you dare complain in the main thread about a person who has been explicitly against progressive ideas because she doesn't really have a big role.

     
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    That thread is full of libs who need a xanax
     
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  24. BellottiBold

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    This is a pretty good interview
     
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  25. Truman

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    Life imitates Memes
     
  26. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Basically how I feel when people are in unironically talking about how great Biden's all women leadership team is. Yeah, that is good, but only if they aren't blood thirsty ghouls.
     
  27. BellottiBold

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    Katie Porter's sister is a doc.
     
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    I have a big crush on both of these women

     
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    This makes me feel bad inside
     
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  31. blotter

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    Searching for updates on the 250MM strong general strike in india since our media collectively ignored it.. this feels like a bit of copium, but I'm hopeful

    Nothing groundbreaking, wolff talks about how capital discourages labor militancy, mentioned the biden administration might see resistance from labor that they might be surprised by, and the general nature of India's strike

     
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    So AOC onlyfans coming in hot
     
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  35. GoS

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    Is the systematic herding of millions into gas chambers the same thing as what Israel is doing today? This seems to assume facts that don't exist.
     
  36. Truman

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    This is a bad faith argument. stop
     
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  37. GoS

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    I promise you I am not arguing in bad faith. Netanyahu can literally suck my fucking balls (his entire admin are antagonists wholly unwilling to consider a 2 party state based on reflexive hatred), but I just can't understand why we would hyperbolically equivocate things that, by the numbers, appear to be so far apart.

    If i misunderstood the post, happy to get clarification
     
  38. Truman

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    The atrocities the Nazis did weren’t limited to systemically killing Jews in gas chambers. There were several steps before that point that aren’t too different to how Gaza and the West Bank are treated right now. Think of Jewish polish ghettos before the concentration camps started.

    No one is comparing the treatment of Palestinians to Jews in gas chambers, or even concentration camps. And for the sake of argument let’s say there was some hyperbole to draw attention to the atrocities, you’re really missing the point of your first response is ‘Hey, there may be some atrocities but it’s not as bad as the halocaust” instead of “Atrocities are bad. Israel is being shamefully hypocritical in committing ethnic based atrocities and we should put pressure on them to stop”
     
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  39. Truman

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    Perhaps you didn’t make that argument in bad faith, but it’s the same argument that bad faith people make. Like Bibi whenever someone criticized him for the treatment of the Palestinians :idk:
     
  40. BWC

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    As an addendum given your follow-up (the argument is still a bad faith one, even though I doubt you intended as such), same atrocities does not equal equivalent scale. Sure, that's inferred, but it shouldn't require explicit statement.

    Thus, why your argument is in bad faith, no matter your intent. Your argument seeks to discredit the very real and very bad atrocities committed against Palestinians by the Israeli government on the basis of it not being as bad as a mostly unrelated atrocity against Jews and others during the Holocaust. Being persecuted in the past does not give anyone carte blanche to propagate similar atrocities onto others. Arguably, it makes such actions all the more deplorable, as such people should know better, given their experience being on the receiving end. Humans kinda suck though.
     
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  41. GoS

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    OK, so OP's comment was really meant to mean something like:

    "Bibi and Israel are on the same glide slope as the Nazis, they just haven't reached extermination phase yet."

    I think I read "...*until you start committing the same atrocities yourself" as "Israel is doing the equivalent of the Holocaust" which caused my response. Thanks for the clarification for both of you. I genuinely wanted to better understand the point before fully responding. Appreciated yall.
     
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  42. BWC

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    Ummmm
     
  43. GoS

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    Thus, why your argument is in bad faith, no matter your intent: Understand your point, but based on the brevity of the OP I wasn't sure whether the OP was making a direct and equivalent comparison or not. Had the point been more fully fleshed out (as it has since) then I likely would have had no response other than agreement. As presented it could be read as hyperbolic. Thanks for clarifying.

    Your argument seeks to discredit the very real and very bad atrocities committed against Palestinians by the Israeli government on the basis of it not being as bad as a mostly unrelated atrocity against Jews and others during the Holocaust: I think I have said it since but fuck Bibi and every effort that cuts against a 2 party solution. I think I already said that. Maybe it was missed. I seek to discredit nothing. Fuck them and fuck what they've done. That said, while they (in a pathetically ignorant and hypocritical fashion) are doing some of the plays from the early Nazi playbook, wholesale equivocation of the two movements (in their totality) seems historically inaccurate. Now I understand that was not OPs point, but the post was short and left room for questions.

    Being persecuted in the past does not give anyone carte blanche to propagate similar atrocities onto others. Arguably, it makes such actions all the more deplorable, as such people should know better, given their experience being on the receiving end. Humans kinda suck though: I agree without reservation

    Again, thanks for the dialogue.
     
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    Nina Turner is running for the open seat left by Marcia Judge’s appointment to Biden’s Administration.

    No idea if she can win, but holy moly if she does