TMB Weightlifting Thread: Learn to Swim

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  1. Joshuam2107

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    Gather round my satchel
     
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  2. bigjrock

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    But is it causation or correlation?

    Besides, Arnold says you can cum while lifting anyway.
     
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  3. Tigerdb2

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    el oh el. Creatine....and andro? One of these two is drastically different than the other.

    Observed relationship. I wonder what the observed relationship would be between those with testicular cancer and cell phones sitting in their pockets all day? Or maybe testicular cancer and those who used microwaves daily?

    Safe to assume these are extremely intelligent people but this is grasping at straws. No proposed reasons why creatine, a naturally occurring substance found in red meat (something we've been eating for most of our existence), would cause testicular cancer? Why are we lumping creatine in with andro, which is a precursor to the sex hormones in the body? You can't just conclude things about creatine based on things going on with andro, which alters hormones in the body...something that may very well increase cancer risks...something we've gathered from studying steroids, not so much from studying creatine.

    Basically, this is worthless right now. Creatine is one of the most heavily studied ergogenic aids ever. Not once have I seen an academic paper, which actually looks into and considers mechanisms of action, side effects, etc., start throwing out potential cancer issues. Now does that mean it's not true or not possible? No, but it's a hell of a lot better than some observational study.
     
  4. brolift

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    Excess creatine is stored in the testes then excreted in urine, so your balls will shrink like your body.
     
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  5. brolift

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    Get out of here with your logic.

    I'm going to change my supplement regimen based on one study that is correlation only and has not been reproduced AND compares a dietary supplement to a hormone.

    :-|
     
  6. Bruce Wayne

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    So you're saying, correlation doesn't actually mean causation?
     
  7. Redav

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    Get out of here with your book learnin' and such.
     
  8. Tigerdb2

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    Those people are all much, much smarter than I will ever be but this is a troll. They know damn well that the general public isn't skeptical or critical enough to be handed something like this. It's got a huge, flashy title and then very little substance. It'll lead to some actual studies that will probably be very interesting (and probably over my head because it'll be really bio/chemistry heavy) but this observational stuff sucks.

    The body is so fucking complex.
     
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  9. Redav

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    Yea, i thought it was a bit of a reach to group creatine and a steroid. That was kind of lazy imo.
     
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  10. Bruce Wayne

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    Just like that red meat study from a few summers ago
     
  11. TYdeFan05

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    The sensationalism associated with peer reviewed research in the past 10 years is both good and bad. I'm very happy that people even know what that word means but it's also lead to researchers, including the very peer review committee members, being forced to support and publicize weak literature for the sake of raising awareness and, thus, available funds for their own research. Research groups have taken the place of special interest groups in the iron triangle.
     
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  12. Tigerdb2

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    Couldn't agree more. It's a love/hate relationship. The worst might be the supplement research funded completely by supplement companies. There's also very little credibility in some circles. It's up to us literate folk to take the good with the bad, I suppose.
     
  13. TYdeFan05

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    This goes double for issues like climate change, fracking contamination, carcinogenic impact of GMO's etc. When trillions are at stake no lie is too big to contort into a truth.
     
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  14. Stone Cold Steve Austin

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    Will I be able to see my testicle 6-pack now?
     
  15. brolift

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    The physics of your sack don't make any sense
     
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  16. Taques

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    "We asked cancer patients if they had previously taken creatine or uranium pills and the results will shock you to your core"
     
  17. prerecordedlive

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    Oh good, I could use some core work.
     
  18. Tigerdb2

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    On an unrelated note, told my job that I'll be working zero weekends after this upcoming weekend and that I'll be leaving at the end of July.

    Back to schooo, back to schooo
     
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  19. brolift

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    Can we change the name of the thread to 'Fuckbois with ball cancer'
     
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  20. bigjrock

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    From examine.com:

    The main issue with this study is how broad the category of ‘Muscle Building Supplements’ (MBS) is. The authors state that the participant interview included an assessment of 30 different types of MBS powders or pills but disclosed:
    Specifically, the article stated that “The interview included an assessment of 30 different types of MBS powders or pills. The major ingredients, including creatine, protein, and androstenedione or its booster, were abstracted according to the product ingredients.”
    Whether creatine, protein and/or androstenedione were a component of each of the 30 products or whether they were 3 of the determine, as a list of products was not provided in the study.

    http://examine.com/blog/do-muscle-b...-70023393&mc_cid=ee6592ba37&mc_eid=bdf3d9cb22
     
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  21. brolift

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    wow get out of my inbox
     
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  22. Redav

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    "Guns and drugs are hitting our streets at a rapid pace. Is Creatine to blame? What they're not telling you at GNC at 6."
     
  23. Taques

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    i think im starting to get old man hips :(
     
  24. lhprop1

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  25. Capstone 88

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    Someone upgraded Brain Shaw to first class for his flight to Malaysia. That was nice of you lhprop1
     
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  26. Joshuam2107

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    good for Brain.
     
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  27. Capstone 88

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    I will slit your throat
     
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  29. Joshuam2107

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    [​IMG]
     
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  30. Redav

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    Look at the big brain on Brain.
     
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  31. Taques

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  32. prerecordedlive

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    Been wanting to get a weighted vest so I can work on heavier pullups and weighted planks. That might give me the final push to get one.

    Anyone have any recs?
     
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  33. AptosDuck

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    Got one last fall, use it three times a week. Got the 60 lb. short version, not the running one with the wider shoulderstraps. Weightvest.com sent it quickly, with free shipping. Not cheap, but made well and durable.

    Wanted 50 lbs. but got the 60 lbs. just in case I went heavier. Now wishing I'd gotten an even heavier one. But the 60 is comfortable and not too bulky. Actually it's a 40 lb. vest with a 20 lb. mini-poncho that goes on top, which is actually convenient if you want to throw on a 20 by itself for the stair machine or want to warm up a bit before going heavier.

    Oh, and be prepared to get a lot of suicide bomber jokes.
     
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  34. Redav

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    Why not just use a belt you can attach weighs to as opposed to having to get a specific set weight?
     
  35. Russellin4885

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    Anyone have good advice on carb up days or cutting weight in general. I've been cutting weight for the past 4.5 month very successfully. Have lost about 30 pounds and kept a good part of my muscle. My problem is I'm not quite at my goal weight and I'm really starting to feel the effects. Everything in the gym just feels incredibly heavy, I haven't had a good workout in weeks. I have about another 10 pounds to go and I'm dropping consistently at 1.5 - 2 pounds a week. The way I see it my main options are:

    -Just deal with it. Lose the weight and reverse back out to maintenance and then a little above
    -Try to incorporate some carb up days.

    I have read and heard about carb up days but have never tried to incorporate them. From what I understand, if I keep my fats low on those days I shouldn't store any of the extra carbs as fat, they should just help replenish my glycogen and help with my workouts through the week. I am so close to my goal weight (still probably 6-8 weeks) that I don't want to slow my progress down, but it would be really nice to start to feel better in the gym and out of it as well. Also, one other thing to note is I'm not technically on a "low carb" diet. Still taking in about 170 grams a day, which sucks, but not really low carb.
     
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  36. tjosu

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    I would think that'd be very difficult to use for planks
     
  37. Redav

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    Ah, ok. I missed the part about planks and just saw pull ups.
     
  38. TYdeFan05

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    I have no advice or encouragement. I aim for 125 and hit 150 almost daily because I rack disciprine. On the occasional weekend when I OD on carbs I feel like Kaz. It sucks but I just grind it out. I'd be interested to hear specific techniques, but for me personally when tracking intake the timing of carbs seems to help me (if only on a psychological level). Then again I noticed the trend looking at months of data tracking performance versus intake. If I went into my cut conscious of the issue I'd feel biased but I had no clue why I was sucking so back some days and others were decent.
     
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  39. Joshuam2107

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    I don't know if I'm ready for weighted pullups/dips yet, I guess I need to step my game up. What's the thought here, 10 strict form bodyweight before moving on to weighted sets?
     
  40. lhprop1

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    Why would I be able to upgrade his flight?
     
  41. AptosDuck

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    Even for dips and pullups, the weight vest holds the extra weight securely against your body, distributing it between front and back, no potential for swinging around. You can also easily do crossfitty and plyometricy stuff like step-ups, lunges, squats, burpees, etc. with a vest that doesn't swing or bang around. It does shift your center of mass upwards, but the bright side of that is that once you take the thing off you feel like you can't lose your balance.
     
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  42. danny2430

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    Fuck.

    Legs.

    Day.
     
  43. prerecordedlive

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    My pullups suck dick. I need to build up my grip on weighted pullups. I can do 15 unbroken but if I have them programmed into a metcon, I look extremely uncoordinated and can't keep my grip.
     
  44. Capstone 88

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    I was joking. I knew you two were friends.
     
  45. hensleya

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    Volume day... Volume PR. Feels fucking great.

    Squats: 225 5x8
    2" deficit conventional deads: 245 3x8

    Monday is lower strength day and I'll be hitting 250 for first time ever.
     
  46. Bruce Bowen

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    Been sick the past 2 days, not crazy sick just congested as hell, slight upset stomach. Feeling 80-90% so going to hit legs. Might puke or shit myself #yolo
     
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  47. Russellin4885

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    So your running the hypertrophy version? Are your working off a training max and percentages? Or did you just start at a weight and adding weight each week from there? Your making some nice progression.
     
  48. Joshuam2107

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    It's amazing how out of it your body can get in just a week's time.
     
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  49. lhprop1

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    Here's today's PSA:

    The following are extremely painful with a broken rib and are not recommended:

    Deadlifts
    squats
    front squats
    overhead press
    bench press
    pushups
    lat pulldowns
    running
    moving gun safes up and down stairs
     
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  50. Illinihockey

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    Noticing I'm having knee pain lately, think its due to going back to squatting a bit heavier then I have in a while....has never happened before. Wondering if I need to call it quits and start going lower weight/more reps in the future.