The corner came out and said they are no signs of foul play already. And you specifically said her being college educated was a reason she would have been calm and collected if he would have said detained and not arrested. Her education has no bearing on if that would have happened. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-main/index.html
No he has no authority to make her put it out, provided she's 18 or older. The SCOTUS says a LEO can remove anyone from a vehicle for purposes of a weapons frisk. Based on what you said, there's no arrestable offense. Unless he's calling her not getting out "obstruction".
I never know if people are purposefully obtuse to my posts or it's a failure comprehend them. I will reiterate. A college education, in general, is a qualifier, not the absolute, as to why a person can understand the difference between being detained and arrested. I will wait for the independent autopsy and investigation before I make judgements on the death itself. It seems very odd she would kill herself, but stranger things have happened.
The rest of this post is fine, but this is just too stupid for you to actually believe. She wanted to just get her ticket and go. She didn't want to get dragged out into the street, cuffed, and arrested.
Just saw this posted on Facebook. Jesus Christ. Cliffs: Black columnist gets pulled over for faulty headlight, which turns back on when he taps it. Officer is courteous and gives her no ticket. She's now suffering PTSD apparently. Wendi C. Thomas added 2 new photos. 4 hrs · Last night, I was pulled over by Memphis police for a broken headlight - that's not broken. (More on that later.) I wasn't arrested and the officer didn't run the name of my passenger. But I'm rattled. Very anxious. Here's what happened. (This is LONG.) So my cousin was in town for work. Hasn't been here since he was in high school, but had been in work training all day and hadn't gotten to see any of Memphis. It was late, but he wanted to see Downtown. I told him that I was worried about risking an encounter with police. But we went anyway because how crazy is it for me to worry about that? My cousin is brown-skinned, has waist-length locks and a beard. He's from Indiana and was driving a car with out-of-state tags. So I do the black-risk-assessment math, carry the one, and decide that I'll drive my car with Tennessee tags because maybe that will be safer. A black woman behind the wheel, in a car I know works. I tweet my concern, my cousin comes over and we roll out. At Poplar and Hollywood, an MPD officer rolls up behind me, lights flashing. My cousin and I are like: You have to be fucking kidding me. I'm not sure the cop wants me, but I put my turn signal on anyway, to signal that I'm going to get over. The light turns red and the officer hits the siren - like just a little blast. I turn on my flashers, because I don't want to get shot because the cop thinks I'm trying to flee. I pull up to that Exxon on the Northwest corner of Poplar and Hollywood, turn on my cell phone video, set it on the dash and roll down my window. The officer comes up, asks me for my license. I ask why he stopped me while I'm getting my license. He says my headlight is out, then reaches over and taps the cover of the headlight. And then says, Oh, it's back on. (Or something like that.) He reads the name on my license. Wendi.... Wendi Thomas. OH! (He clearly is familiar with my byline, but I don't say anything.) I ask him if I can show him on my phone how I JUST TWEETED that I was worried to come out because of the risk of police encounter. He tells me some BS about how if I don't do anything wrong, I don't have anything to worry about. But he just pulled me over for a light that he now acknowledges is working. He hands me back my license, doesn't ask me my passenger's name, doesn't run my license or my plates and tells me to have the light checked out. I was spooked AF. Like shaking. Rattled. I drove a little ways down Poplar, but I realized that to continue down Poplar is to roll past 201 and if my not-working/now working light is back on, I'll probably get stopped again. So I turn around, head down McLean and past two MPD officers at Union and McLean. My heart is pounding because IDK if I'm going to get stopped again and if this time, the officer is going to be nasty. The officers let me pass. When I stop at a gas station near my house, I check and the side light IS out, but the main beam and the yellow light and the blinker still work. I'm not sure how much of my headlight has to not be working to justify a stop, but I had lights working on both sides of my car. I should go get it checked today, but it's raining and I'm still rattled. In the two miles between me and AutoZone, who knows how many cops there could be? I don't want to risk another encounter with the cops, so I'm on self-imposed house arrest. The cop who stopped me was pleasant, although I'm not convinced my head light was ever out. I am alive and for that, I'm grateful. I was reminded again of the privilege that comes with fame/notoriety - I'm not sure what would have happened if he didn't realize I'm a journalist. I don't want to think about that.
He said "will you put out your cigarette, please" she was kinda rude in her response. Not so much her words "no I am in my car why should I put out my cigarette" but her attitude and tone. Right after she refuses he says "well you're getting out the car". Does he have that right under those circumstances? Can he say he got her out to search for a weapon without having suspected she had one prior to her refusal to put out the cigarette?
I like how people think only minorities are pulled over for things like broken headlights or improper lane changes. If y'all could see my driving record you would see more tickets for shit like that than any minority that posts on this board that's for sure.
I've stated on here that I look like a biker. I do. I look like a complete asshole. I shave my head. I have a full beard. I have two full sleeves. When I drove regularly I'd get pulled over all the time. I truly believe my looks had something to do with it. Usually nothing happened. Shit when I was younger I got pulled over for driving without a license (I had registration and insurance) both times the cop allowed me to call someone to pick up the car. I was polite, which IMO went a long way.
BTW, she posted that last night. Today at around 4 she confirmed the officer was also black and 18 hours later she's "still shaking".
Newsflash, cops will pull you over if your headlight is out. She got a very nice cop who only have her a warning. I wish I was that lucky.
One of the things I hate the most about social media is giving a platform for people like Kim K to inject themselves into serious issues.
No it isn't. Black people aren't the one people killed by law enforcement, and to pretend like they are is just some sort of weird embarrassing propaganda
Similarly, quoting the great Gust Avrakotos: "it's just been my experience that when people with money and too much free time get involved in politics, pretty soon, I forget who it is I'm supposed to be shooting at."
I'm just waiting for her to actually publish it in a column. Or to interject her "plight" into a column about Bland.
If you don't acknowledge black people are disproportionately killed/discriminated against/charged with crimes by police you are just willfully ignorant and nothing more.
Your post makes it seem as if you are trying to minimize the likelihood and occurrences of black people being killed by the police. Especially considering Oops never said only black people are killed by police.
No it doesn't. It happens to every kind of people, oops made a post implying that 'our people' don't have it happen to them which is fucking ignorant.
Yes, it does happen to every kind of person. But, and this is important. It occurs to black people at a disproportionate rate and that is his point. You and I cannot fathom what it's like to be a black person. It's impossible to go through the mental gymnastics to even conjure white people being killed at the same rate by the police. Your statement is equivalent to the sophomoric rhetoric of people responding to black lives matter with all lives matter.
Or, you know, when you look at every single incident like this, regardless of the skin color of the victim, and see that the common denominator is, at the very least, not listening to the cops.
No it isn't. Thousands of white people get killed by police as well. It happens to other races too. Sheer numbers whites are killed way more often than blacks are. Do we just ignore that because it fits your narrative? Do I just think 'oh that's cool, there are more white people so it's fine'. No, I don't. I think the whole thing is fucked up. This isn't the 'police are racist and kill black people' thread, no matter how bad you want it to be. We acknowledge all sorts of shit in here
Looks like a culture problem to me. Why aren't you railing on the black community to change how they act with law enforcement?
Yes, you're right it isn't the police are racist and kill black people thread. But, when police are 4 times more likely to kill one type of person simply based on the color of their skin it starts to get a tad annoying for the people of said skin color.
And it makes you pretty shitty person to just ignore thousands of people who have suffered a similar plight to focus in on something you choose to bitch about. But more power to you canefin, if that's your deal, go for it
So you can't answer that question? Literally every case that we have video evidence, and even some without video evidence, of a cop killing a black person, there is an element of disobedience, obstruction, or assault from the victim.... but you refuse to even remotely address the possibility that maybe that's a problem?
You're right Arkadin I've been focusing too much on black people, they get all the attention. Police need to fix their relations with the white people. Or wait, maybe we should try to disarm the populace so that cops quit mistakingly see guns. That would help save thousands of people. It worked for Australia, why not us?
The reality is that this is a very, very complicated issue and both sides are pulling out stats and basic arguments without the ability/desire/capability/opportunity to provide full context in an attempt to use them in a "gotcha" manner. I don't think we are capable as a society at this point of sitting down and having a rationale debate about it because one sides hears something they don't like and freak out and the chance for logical discourse is dead.
Yep. That was murder. Congrats on finding the once instance where it wasn't someone disobeying police. Assuming black people being killed by cops happens as much as you guys think it does, this becomes a negligible outlier.