Ran from police after a traffic stop and after being tased "fell into a low concrete wall." I mean, it's possible. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, I must say I'm a bit skeptical. http://www.wptv.com/news/region-martin-county/sheriff-defends-deputy-over-excessive-force-concerns
Everyone calls for the use of the taser, this can be one of the outcomes when the taser is deployed. I don't see how this is bad police.
I don't doubt the taser was used. It just seems like the damage to his face is consistent with being hit many times, not falling over once and hitting a wall. And allegedly eye witnesses have also said that the damage came from police beating the man once he was on the ground. That would be the issue.
I think this was already discussed, but tasing someone can lead to bad things. Safer than shooting them, but not always
ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO) — Traffic disruptions and loud messages aren’t the only things memorable about Saturday’s Black Lives Matter march to the gates of the Minnesota State Fair. One of the chants heard from protesters is being called “disgusting” by rank and file St. Paul Police officers. Police Federation President Dave Titus says the threatening refrain is divisive, dangerous and won’t lead to improved police relations. By many accounts, Saturday’s march was a peaceful gathering. Although it was intended to disrupt leisure to deliver the group’s message of justice for those killed at the hands of police. “We weren’t surprised it was peaceful, but we were glad everything worked out right,” March organizer Rashad Turner said. But along the way, protesters broke into a pointed refrain that has St. Paul police officers upset. Marchers chanted in unison, “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.” What officers and many others find offensive is also protected free speech. But in this particular case what is ironic is that those voicing the chant were also being protected by very officers targeted. “Statements and chants like that are just ignorant – I find it absolutely disgusting,” Officer Titus said. Titus called the protester’s chant both dangerous and outrageous. All the more so Titus says, because it came just hours after a Texas deputy was gunned down in cold blood.
-Guy flips off a cop. -Cop pulls him over. -Cop pepper sprays him. -Cop arrests him for "disorderly conduct." While it's admittedly unnecessary and very foolish to do, the Supreme Court ruled that it's perfectly legal to flip off a police officer.
Maybe so. But the substance of their arguments isn't lessened by the fact that the people behind it are a bit radical at times.
Please, guy who is paid to uphold the law. What did that guy in the video do that warranted being pepper sprayed and arrested?
I know what you're going to say for your answer, so I won't bother. Just a new low defending that guy is all. That guy is a big time piece of shit.
Please "bother." Because from where I'm standing it seems like you have literally no valid argument to make.
but I'll go back to the basis of freedom of speech. You are protected to do so, criminally, but not immune to the actions of others relating to free speech. Just like it's illegal to kick the shit out of someone for calling you a name, it's illegal for the police officer to do this as well...which is why he was put on administrative leave. Frankly, I hope that all the douches like this guy get this treatment and then the officer gets a slap on the wrist punishment....just like I hope all the racist KKK members get their face beat in. Yep, it's his right to do that. Just hope he receives the same treatment every time he does so whether it be Police or just an every day citizen.
And here lies the problem. Despite the fact that what the man did is completely legal, he was arrested and pepper sprayed by a LEO. And you're indirectly defending the officer's actions by implying the CopBlock dude was in the wrong when it's evident he wasn't. In the sense of not being a dick, he was in the wrong. But in a strictly legal sense which is the only sense that police are tasked with upholding he was absolutely within his rights.
right. I'm saying I support the cop as a human and hope he takes the same action every time and then takes the slap on the wrist punishment and is on his way.
I'm with you on the every day citizen argument (even though it's obviously still illegal) but I don't want the police to be simple minded stimulus/response thugs.
If he flipped off an ordinary citizen and the citizen followed him and pepper sprayed him, how do you think that would play out? A "slap on the wrist?"
oh, you mean the cop flipping the citizen off and the citizen returning the favor with pepper spray? Yeah that wouldn't be a slap on the wrist but the cop would likely be suspended and the charges thrown out if I had to guess (assuming it's not he said/she said). End of the day, the judge is still a person even when the letter of the law says they need to be guilty (like a person punching a racist using a derogatory term), they are fair or light with the sentencing.... seems that way anyways.
No, I meant if the cop in this story wasn't a cop and he was just some guy that got flipped off and he then proceeded to follow the flipper-offer and pepper spray him. Would that be a slap on the wrist? (Of course it wouldn't.)
I have no idea if a cop has flipped someone off (I'd bet my life yes at some point in time) but LOL if you think a cop has never trolled a citizen to get a reaction.
Wait, you flip me off, I follow you and pepper spray you for flipping me off. You think I'd get a slap in the wrist? Hell na I'd be arrested and convicted with assault, just like the cop of the above scenario should be.
I keep going back to the same thing - police officers should be held to the same standard as the average citizen. If someone gave me the finger and I responded by pepper spraying them and applying an arm bar to them, I'd go to jail for assault. What should separate LEO's from me is having a legal right to their response/actions. If they do not have any legal right to detain/harm someone, they should be beholden to the same penalties as I am. It's the entitled feeling of being "above the law" that really rubs me the wrong way, TBH. I expect LEO's to respect the authority they are given by NOT abusing it.
yeah doubt it's that severe and no jail time unless it escalated and continued. Hope the cop just has a light slap on the wrist (loss of pay for a week or whatever the fine would be) and is back in uniform. Just my opinion.
You don't think I'd be convicted for assault if I followed you and pepper sprayed you? Either way, the cop should be arrested and go to court just like I would. He should not be above the law.
Your lack of a grasp of reality is frightening. Regardless, the cop resigned. The charges he tried to bring against the CopBlock dude were dismissed. And the officer did not face any criminal charges himself. I'm sure he'll find work elsewhere before long though.
On one hand, if I pepper spray you I'll probably pick up assault charges. On the other hand, it probably won't cost me my job/career. I still think if you inflict bodily harm upon another person with no legal right to do so, you should face some kind of legal ramification though. Especially when the citizen has no ability to defend himself.
a fine and/or probationary period seems about right for this situation. Or instead of the fine a couple week unpaid suspension (that acts as a fine) and have the simple assault on his record.