DotA 2: -APEM pros only go fast!

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  1. swiggle

    swiggle Ya'll finished or ya'll done?
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    And every time the opposing team picks him he gets early free farm, goes Dagon 5 and wrecks shit. Feelsrealbad
     
  2. skiedfrillet

    skiedfrillet It's not a lie if you believe it.
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    this is also accurate
     
  3. RonBurgundy

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    Isn't it standard to disassemble mana boots into blood then go bots for farm/split push on timber?
     
  4. RonBurgundy

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    Teammates who don't carry TP to get out of rupture combos make me rage
     
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  5. skiedfrillet

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    this is true
     
  6. BrickTamland

    BrickTamland You're not Ron...
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    Thanks RonBurgundy, opendota is awesome.
    Yes
     
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  7. BrickTamland

    BrickTamland You're not Ron...
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    I should have built a force staff, bottom line.
     
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  8. RonBurgundy

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    I've figured out my major problem. I have no game sense for team fights or ganks. Either initiating or defending.

    I farm well and very efficiently (much much better than I was even 2-3 months ago by doing nothing but playing carry), I am a more than competent support for stacking, pulling and lane equilibrium, I itemize and skill appropriately. I last hit well.

    I have no fucking clue about when to initiate with my team, have a terrible sense of when to back mid fight, am awful at checking minimap right before and after fights.

    I am terrible at predicting incoming ganks or when I should be suspicious of a danger zone and get picked off easily.

    Which is why Riki is my best hero. I have no idea how to fix this. Other than let my teammates make decisions on team fights for me, which is obviously a bad choice with most idiot teams.
     
  9. RonBurgundy

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    It's truly a great stats website. It has all the dotabuff paid stuff for free, although Dotabuff is a billion times cleaner and easier to navigate.
     
  10. miles

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    Blitz made a video about game sense/playing the map about a week ago but took it down before I could watch it : /

    Obviously it was more in depth than this but the gist of it was apparently: Other team invading your jungle/trying to gank your carry? Go gank their carry/farm their jungle.

    That's definitely something I need to do better i.e. recognizing earlier that a lane is fucked and I need to go get stuff done elsewhere. (Either as a support or a core)
     
  11. RonBurgundy

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    Yeah someone resubmitted it and I watched it. My problem I guess isn't knowing when we should fight (we are grouped, their carry is free farming/fat, someone got an item and had power spoke like Mirana aghs and we have an advantage)... It's more mechanically, like I sense I should jump in and initiate and suddenly I'm the only one on the side of the river and get jumped by 3. Team is starting to peck at enemies/fighting and I jump in as Sven, only to get stunned and die while rest of team backed. Like I end up dying and no one is around way more often than seems like should be normal
     
  12. skiedfrillet

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    what is that site what am i looking at what is happening
     
  13. LuPoor

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    EG is announcing their new roster tomorrow.

    Probably arteezy, zai and i don't know the rest IMO IYAM
     
  14. afk999

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    cr1t most likely on whatever team arteezy is on
     
  15. LuPoor

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    I am projecting crit to sadboys, mostly because I would like to watch that team with crit at the 4 spot
     
  16. RonBurgundy

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    Reddit rumor mill says universe and fear and ppd out, RTZ and Crit in but that literally makes no sense whatsoever.
     
  17. RonBurgundy

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    So Sumail RTZ Zai Crit and unknown pos 5.
     
  18. LuPoor

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    Nah. Sadboys is going to be last year's EG minus zai plus crit.

    Then EG is going to be arteezy and zai and if they're smart moo plus a pubstar carry and another support. Akke is available.
     
  19. miles

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    I've slowly learned that reddit doesn't know wtf they're talking about.

    Just a bunch of 16 year olds talking out of their ass.
     
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  20. miles

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    At this point fear, PPD, Uni, and Sumail have all been rumored to be retiring, taking a break, or coaching.
     
  21. miles

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    Also good news: New record for hero damage with 55k

    Bad news: whenever I push in early game the other team rotates 4 heroes and my teammates don't take advantage and take other towers. So most of that damage was down two sets of racks while up 20 kills.

    -25 mmr
     
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  22. swiggle

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  23. LuPoor

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    Fear officially retires
     
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  24. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    :((((((((((((((((((((((((
     
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  25. Poetic

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    Love how triggered everyone is because they only announced his retirement and now there's another countdown. Fear deserves his own announcement.
     
  26. RonBurgundy

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    Multiple day announcement is some Banty rooster tier bullshit.

    Rip fear.

    Also, they banned 11K hackers from Dota today. Crazy, I have yet to see one in Dota
     
  27. miles

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  28. J.R. Bob Dobbs

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    ive played 4000 games and i've only even encountered a few people that i suspected of maphacking.

    1-2 techies scripters during the height of the cancer era
    0 insta hex people
     
  29. miles

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    Should name the armlet after fear imo
     
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  30. RonBurgundy

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    Feel like future heroes added to the game could be named or themed for HoF tier players. Or item tributes. Or effigies of likenesses
     
  31. RonBurgundy

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    Oregon logo has me triggered
     
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  32. miles

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    idk why I haven't been playing wyvern like every game. So good against the heavy physical damage 2k games I'm always in. Plus every game being a coin flip on if you'll get a legion.
     
  33. Skiddly

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    If RTZ joins a PPD led EG again I'll be really confused.
     
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  34. Poetic

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    Seems almost certain at this point. Idk. Guess we'll see tomorrow.
     
  35. Skiddly

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    Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. No other decent carries out there.

    Still weird as shit.
     
  36. Poetic

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    What if PPD is out and starting the Sadboys team?

    Cause I see 6 players and 5 spots. SumaiL, Universe, Zai, Cr1t, RTZ, PPD.
     
  37. RonBurgundy

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    I am also really confused by this as well. Everyone says crit is going with RTZ and Zai but maybe he's in the new liquid?

    Sumail start a team with his brother?
     
  38. Poetic

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    SumaiL might take a break I guess.
     
  39. miles

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    There's been hints toward PPD and sadboys but I have a hard time seeing him form an entirely new team. Everyone that would be left is pure garbage. I would think he'd take a break or coach before he'd do that.
     
  40. miles

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  41. RonBurgundy

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    Just played a game with a CM who jungled for 15 minutes (because LC took mid so he flamed and sat in jung) with a LS who jungled hard top camp in between killing creeps around top tower (giving a PA free farm top). My support, a WD, died 7 times in the first 10 minutes. And yet I get flamed for being a shitty carry. GG
     
  42. RonBurgundy

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    Game before that played against a 4.9k MMR Riki (solo MMR, yet wasn't in a party). Holy crap, there is a huge difference in skill. He literally destroyed our whole team.
     
  43. skiedfrillet

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    That sounds like swiggle and I's game last night with the 1k mmr advantage
     
  44. miles

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    Watched rtz and Universe play a 4.5k party mmr game last night.

    Was like The Golden State Warriors vs. 5 clones of Helen Keller
     
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  45. miles

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  46. swiggle

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    Rtz
    Sumail
    Universe
    Zai
    Cr1t

    New EG with PPD in a business role with the company. Interesting.
     
  47. miles

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    Wonder if PPD will ever come back or if he's done playing for good.

    Might be a smart move long term tbh. Only like 24 and has already made 2.5 million dollars. Could be a good time to make a move with more career longevity.
     
  48. RonBurgundy

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    Smart to get into the business side of a major organization now to have a career hopefully for life.

    Edit - oh shit it's with Twitch too. Probably a smart decision by him. Probably smart for Eg As well, crit is pretty solid if not an upgrade. Can he draft tho?
     
  49. miles

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    Yeah, you never know about Dota's shelf life, but twitch isn't going anywhere but up.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Fear decided to retire shortly after TI and that kind of threw a wrench in EG's plans, which caused all the confusion. Zai/rtz/cr1t are a package deal and were gonna make a team. EG now has to replace Zai and Fear. Zai is probably doable but there were no good carries left other than rtz. EG/twitch offer PPD a sweet gig to make room for Cr1t rather than adding two sub par players to go with Uni/Sumail/PPD.