I really wish I hadn't have watched that, my day is absolutely ruined now. The crying, ugh that sent chills down my spine.
Because a frightening percentage of this country thinks police are infallible and has no interest in holding them accountable for their mistakes when they happen.
Did anyone else hear when they had the woman crawl over, one of the cops say she was clear and another cop said no she’s not and gave him more instructions? Seems like these pieces of shit didn’t have a clue what they were doing.
Also, is this the training team or what???? Cuff, grab, and pull. No Rich, pull! This way, Pull! (Rich, incidentally, you also just walked directly into my site line on the guy) Let me know when you are clear Clear no, you aren't clear, you haven't frisked her yet. ehhhhh Rich, is having trouble following simple instructions, maybe Rich should have been shot.
I agree 100% but fuckkkkkkk man, he wants you crawling. Obviously he is worried about your hands. You were just allegedly waiving a gun out a window. Don't fucking reach back out of all things.
Add in the key card bullshit. If it weren't so tragic it could be played to the Benny Hill theme music Key card! key card!.......Key card! (tries key card....door is still locked) hold on, they gave me 2 key cards. (Tries key card one way. Then the other way. Door locked. Tries again. Still locked. Drops key card. Bends over, directly where the cop is aiming, to pick up key card. Tries again. Again. Locked!) ah these fuckin key cards ain't workin! Is that Rich? Is that fucking Rich getting bested by a god damn hotel key card???
Why did he have to crawl to the cop? Why can't the cop walk to him while he's face down on the ground with his hands out front and his legs crossed? Left over right crossed bc right over left is something you could die for. Maybe there's more to it but the "you crawl to me" seems like a cop on a power trip.
very true. off topic, we have a key-chain camera UC buy. After the buy, the UC goes on to make a phone call and says a lot of dumb shit. He isn't in UC capacity anymore. It is irrelevant to the crime, but too often things like this never get brought to light. I'm assuming he would absolutely be fired. I think people (in many fields) become far too comfortable, but this particular job is not one that should have gray areas like this.
One element was whether or not others were in hotel room (armed). But mainly it seemed like a strategy (suspect comes to you). Nonetheless, the crawl was what was happening. Clearly the cop is worried about a gun and your hands. I'm not mad at the victim - just sad.
I'm not following this. UC cop makes a buy, then makes a personal call with the camera is still rolling and says a bunch of dumb shit that he shoudl get fired for? Did he get fired? How dumb was the shit he said?
I guess I just don't see the point of that "strategy." It seems like it'd be much easier for a couple of the 6 (SIX!) officers there to walk to the suspect while he's face down and spread eagle. Adding additional steps just seem unnecessary. He even admitted that what he was asking the guy to do was tough when he said if you fall while doing it just fall on your face. idk it just seems like he was looking for a reason to shoot the guy. Most times in these cases I think a cop didn't mean to but just royally fucked up. With this one it seemed like he was making it as complicated as possible so he could shoot the guy when he made one wrong move. He was playing life or death version of Simon Says.
Yep, pretty much. we haven't brought it to anyone's attention yet. To hear that part of the video you have to keep watching the video for 2 minutes after the buy. State or Leo probably didn't listen that far. I was just replying to the "no interest in holding them accountable" post.
that probably didn't want to go by that door. you also couldn't really see to the right of the victim.
Sure. But it was evident the guy was struggling with complying perfectly. And when it seemed like he might be trying to explain the trouble he's having the cop tells him not to speak. The guy had no chance to do anything but exactly as he was told and we've already covered how difficult those directions were to follow even if you weren't being threatened with life ending consequences.
What about the girl? She was completely in the hallway and they still made her crawl like an obedient dog.
It seems they didn't want to be in a potential path of a bullet coming from that room. That said, I find it impossible to believe that is how they are trained
huh? that's sort of my point. if they didn't want to walk down near that door/wall then they would ask both suspects to come to them (which they did).
Imagine casually walking out of your hotel room, being confronted by 6 officers with assault rifles aimed at you, and then being told to play Simon Says for your life. I mean, fuck.
The girl was in the middle of the hallways though. She wasn't in the path of a bullet from the room. Regardless, I think we can all agree that it should have been handled better and the officer made it almost an impossible task. Hell, put your hands up and walk to me would work. Make then turn around with their hands up and walk towards you. Making it super difficult for them to comply is just setting it up to be able to shoot them.
i know, i know. police pushed and pushed until they could finally shoot him. hence the label on the gun i posted, the cop wanted to use it. my point isn't that the cops did anything right at all, but just merely how risky it was to throw your hand back when the whole incident was about his hands/gun. interested in hearing from NoleNBlue wolfpck Jack Parkman
you lost me brotha. i said the cops might have had the suspect crawl to them because they didn't want to get near the door/wall. I'm insinuating they were in fear of a 3rd suspect. they also had the girl crawl. the guy was also in the middle of hallway. i'm talking about that space to the right that the officers can't see because it is blocked by the wall.
The only problem there is that after they shoot the guy they all walk right down that hallway, then fuck around with the key, right in front of the door, for like 2 minutes.
I hear you about having to 100% look non-threatening, the problem is that when you're fucking being yelled at by multiple dickless wastes of flesh that aren't all on the same page then you may freak out and not act completely rational. This is why I believe that most police officers (I think many departments have admitted to this) are at best of average intelligence.
yep. they eventually had to regardless. i guess they wanted the suspect away from the door before they went down there. all that crawling strategy bullshit was a recipe for disaster. so easily avoided.
exactly, it's like hanging out with my gf when she is hungry. I'm liable to get attacked at any moment and it really isn't my fault.
I'm no expert here, but what I've seen typically is they ask the guy to lift his shirt up, spin around, to see that he does not have a weapon in his belt. Hands on your head, turn around, walk backwards towards the sound of my voice. Isn't that standard? I dunno, seems like this shit is designed to maximize the officer's safety, but with little regard to the safety of the person they are dealing with.
It's a shame that our media race baits so much. If this guy had been black, this would have been national news. Instead he's white and we're all just now hearing about it today. Shit like this should cause riots, regardless of race. Unfortunately it doesn't move the needle unless the media want clickbait and that's a shame.
No the video was just released. Give it some time, it may pick up steam. People can't bitch about BLM not caring about white people who suffer either, this is all over social media.
not to mention the Judge sealing that video from the public until trial was over (presumably so the officer can get a fair trial). I know they do that a lot, but it just seems more common in these police brutality videos than it does for your everyday murder trial.
BLM is pushing this one? Awesome if that's the case. Police brutality is something that goes across race barriers, even if certain races are affected more than others.
I mean Shaun King shared the video which is where I first saw it, probably reaches hundreds of thousands of eyeballs.
you mean the "man waived gun out window and then killed when he reaches for possible gun during arrest" account was probably out there.
this is 100% true. we should all be marching and demonstrating against this. It should be all over the news now that the video was released.
did they determine that report was accurate? Did he have a gun in his room? I didn't see all of the facts of this case.
no clue. clicked on maybe 4 articles and they were all just piss poor write up's. i want to create a website that manages content on big cases so people can actually keep up and not wait months later for the real info. Most cases are fairly easy to keep up with in real-time.
What I saw made it sound like the gun(s) in his room were Airsoft and pellet guns he used to kill birds (as part of his pest control job). Doesn't make brandishing them on a hotel balcony any less stupid but it also doesn't make this shooting any less tragic or disgusting.
yeah i know pacer, i'm talking more write up's with attachments. not opinion articles per se, but rather updates and then uploading what is public record (police reports etc).
Some of you guys just don't get it. Precedent has been set that officer safety remains more important than your safety at all times. It doesn't matter if you're innocent of any actual crime, you have to fucking die because you moved your hand wrong - we can't let the officers get shot at. The law is on their side, they have no legal obligation to protect you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia