This cannot be understated, and is probably difficult to understand from outside of this country. The class system here is like the American class system on steroids. Doesn't matter how rich you get, or how well paid your job is - if you start your life working class, you'll die working class. These people have have so much generational wealth and power that there is very rarely any backlash to their actions, hence when 'Tarquin McVitie The Third' suggests a jolly spiffing party where we all dress up as the most offensive character from history tally-ho, it wouldn't even cross their minds that there would be negative implications.
Just from a PR perspective, the royal family is better off doing exactly what they did than getting into an extended back and forth about specifics whether the claims are true or not.
Really? They said it in a manner as to besmirch everyone in the family. At a minimum, they could have said "none of my immediately family was involved but ..." or something akin to that.
I don't really see it that way and I think we can deduce that it was someone in their immediate family. It's basically all immediate family we're talking about here
Could be Phillip of William among immediate family. I guess it could have also been one of his uncles but nobody cares about them unless they are caught up in sex trafficking investigations so it seems like it would be immediate.
Harry confirmed it was neither the Queen nor his grandfather Prince Phillip. That leaves Prince Harry, Prince William, and Camilla. Two of which are future kings of England.
This entire thing being Harry's metaphysical way of blaming his upbringing for the constant stream of racist thoughts flowing through his mind would be fun, but seems unlikely.
How does William’s statement today have any effect on the opinions you formed and espoused beforehand?
Or it leaves any number or personnel that work for the family. IIRC they never said it was an actual family member.
They are speaking about it, didn’t the queen just release a statement? And that collage of Charles speaking to black people at the NHS is very suspect as well.
The Queen's statement (or what I've seen of it) was very non committal, no confirmation, no denial, just a blanket statement about how race issues are taken seriously.
For some stupid reason I follow their official Cornwall account and they post shit like that all the time.
It’s really interesting to think about Prince Bill and Harry and how old they were when Diana died and how that impacted their empathy and relation to the the crown. I guess the much more likely simple reasoning for how they are the way they are in relation to the institution is that one is gonna be the king and the other isn’t.
To me, it doesn’t. He said what I expected he would say, at least to the extent that I thought they’d respond at all. I think it strains credulity to believe the royals, especially the older ones, are totally non-racist. I’d eat my shoe if that were true.
Elizabeth is the Queen. Margaret was the rebellious one because no one gave a fuck about her. Charles is the Prince of Wales. Anne, Andrew, and Edward are all pretty much forgotten except for Andrew’s love of the child sex trafficking industry.
There are “Top 25” lists of the most offensive shit Phillip has said. If he wasn’t who they were talking about, it’s just that they didn’t hear what he said about them.
you’re just fucking with us now, aren’t you? you admit that a racist will lie about his racism but expect us to believe someone when they say they aren’t racist. I mean like what the fuck. How do you reconcile your two paragraphs?
I'm not sure how you got that from what I wrote. People lie. All kinds of people lie. I think you basically mixed up the exact contradiction I was pointing out. I don't know how many times I can possibly repeat it before my point sinks in, but I will try again. My initial point was that while I DO believe Markle about the royals being racist, where I do NOT believe her is in her take that: 1) they left the royalty ONLY, EXCLUSIVELY AND 100% because of racism; and 2) that it was exclusively -- or even primarily -- the racial motivation that led to her being treated poorly. That's it. I don't know what is controversial about that take. The response to me was, "Well, you don't know her so you need to take her statements at face value, and you're not allowed to judge her credibility!" If that's going to be the principle we apply, then so be it. But if that's the principle that applies equally to all, then to be logically consistent we would have to accept at face value William's statement that the family isn't racist because, after all, nobody here knows him either. To disbelieve William is to make the "subjective judgment" that he's not being truthful, and it was this very same type of "subjective judgment" I was told was invalid when it came to judging Markle. So how do you reconcile the two? Very easily. Neither of their versions are the whole truth.
You know that they never claimed that they left solely because of racism, they did not even claim that it was the primary factor. All they said was that racism, not from the family, Meghan received from the press was a major factor. Their main gripe with the family was that nobody supported her when negative stories were being published.