Even with covid protocols, I'm a bit shocked both the DP and Director got shot.. so are you thinking a close up shot with the DP in point blank range and Director got collateral damage? But feels like everyone should be a bit separated..
Truthfully though based on what Eric The Viking said, the fault probably lies on the prop guy and whoever set up the shot
That’s the best guess I can see. Props/armorers are typically extremely thorough, b/c they know that this situation has the potential to happen. There are safety meetings with everyone on set, prior to firearms being given out. The guns are shown and the type and amount of ammo is discussed. A big deal is made about clearing and reloading in between each shot, so that everyone is around.
But like... do they not know that you can just hold a gun and add the sound and flash with a computer? Firing blanks is sort of unnecessary and maybe we just need to outlaw them if we've had multiple accidental deaths and injuries.
Well then, I’m glad I brought it up. We can’t do too much to raise awareness of faulty prop gun injuries in my opinion.
went down a film set accident rabbit hole…definitely don’t read about the twilight zone movie accident
It never entered my mind that they were, but my friend that works in set production immediately guessed it was probably a live round mistake so apparently it happens. Also with this being a different prop union due to filming in NM maybe it's regional
Yea - I really don't know how you come back from this mentally if you're Baldwin. Trying to play a role and next thing you know you've killed someone due to someone else's fuck up.
Obviously there were huge lawsuits from the Twilight Zone thing. Landis was violating all kinds of labor laws and then was a dick about getting involved with the lawsuit
my man was making movies thirty years after this happened too! how tf was he not ostracized from the industry
Netflix has that “Movies that Made Us” series and I watched the one about Coming to America and he came off as a giant asshole.
This is the most essential question. When you know this can happen, and it's your primary job to ensure it doesn't, how do you let a live round show up anywhere near the set? I know what my bias tells me: gun enthusiasts are not right in the head.
the jungle extract scene in Acts of Valor used live ammo http://armchairgeneral.com/act-of-valor-active-duty-seals-and-live-bullets-in-an-action-thriller.htm
he immediately turned around and made trading places and thriller lol didnt even have to take a year sabbatical
Another thing with these ‘shoot into the camera scenes’ you can literally take the shot (fuck, with the camera) of the shot without standing directly into the camera. Eric The Viking said they usually have it shot away from them, but this is 2021 and having worked a good bit with cameras I know you can get everything set up exactly how you want and shoot the scene several times without having somebody manually working the camera in the line of a real gun! Would this be more annoying? Absolutely, but we are talking about real fucking guns and a mistake is death.
Which makes more sense why a low-budget film several areas (it’s appears) dropped the ball. Terrible situation.
Has as much to do with location as cost. New Mexico doesn’t have anywhere near as many people in the industry, as LA or Atlanta, but a lot of productions have started filming there, b/c of how cheap it is to rent locations. The problem is that most of the big time people in each field, don’t live there, and these productions are filming there, b/c their budget doesn’t afford the ability to fly people in and put them up in hotels, just to do armorer work. Corners are cut. Inexperience is hired. Sometimes, that shows in the product. In this case, it cost someone their life. Depressing stuff.
I still don’t understand how a blank can kill someone and injure a second. Also everyone talking about Baldwin, what about the person responsible for making sure the prop gun doesn’t kill someone. I feel like that should be a job if it isn’t already.
I knew I had heard that story before but couldn’t remember where. Then I saw that one of the actors (Vic Morrow) was Jennifer Jason Leigh’s father, so it for sure came up on Maron’s episode with her. He always just pretty openly hits on the female actresses he interviews, so I usually don’t retain much info from those ones.
They cut corners, now this film is going to cost them their conscience (for some) and a hell of a lot more money than what was budgeted.
Q: Why would there be live rounds? A: Armorers might be called upon for scenes or other things involving live ammo or it may just be a pain in the ass to compartmentalize their supplies over and over so they keep it all together (in a sense) and get what is necessary for that scene. Q: How do blank rounds kill people? A: There are three kinds of rounds you might see. Live (self-explanatory), blank (full load, no bullet, the casing is usually just extended and crimped over so as to contain the powder), and dummy (bullet, inert load and possibly no primer). Blanks are what is used for when you're watching a gun fight and just see the muzzle flashes and hear the sounds, dummy rounds are what is used for close-ups so it looks like a live round is being loaded and used. But guns can, and often do misfire and these blanks and dummy rounds can have pieces lodged into the barrel. If the barrel is not checked and cleared between takes then a subsequent blank round can propel what is already lodged in the barrel outwards and create a bullet of sorts which can injure or kill. There.