It's as awkward as when Feinstein held an assault rifle "Never held one before, don't know how to do it"
By far the most peaceful protest in DC Mounted federal police using tear gas and flashbangs to clear out peaceful protesters prior to curfew before and during speech Protesters' fault, right 5pyker
Yep. Not really sure what people are upset about. You’re upset and wanna protest in a peaceful manner? By all means go ahead, this is America, you’re free to do so. You wanna burn down cities and destroy other people’s businesses? We’re using whatever force necessary to stop you. Not sure what the counter argument is here.
Long and esoteric opinion re: medical examiner report. FWIW Spoiler angst over the Minneapolis medical examiner's prelim report is understandable, and frustrating. I spent a month there in med school, at the time I even thought about steering the ol' career in the direction of forensic pathology. Their function is to investigate and document physical evidence around the individual's death. They are explicitly not to editorialize, speculate or draw conclusions beyond that which they can see and observe concretely. So, they didn't find any physical evidence of asphyxia or strangulation. When present, this evidence can include findings like hyoid bone injury, SCM hematoma, subconjunctival hemorrhage or petechiae. In really bad cases, cerebrovascular injury is apparent on gross inspection of the brain. So what they're documenting in Floyd's case is that they didn't find any of that. It does NOT mean they don't think the officer didn't murder Floyd! Knowing those MEs personally, I'm sure they're heartbroken that the community thinks they're trying to cover something up, when they're just meeting their high standard of professionalism. It is NOT in their purview to remark on the officer's wrongdoing. That is the prosecutor and the jury's job. FWIW, I think what they documented is probably appropriate. Lobbing my not-wholly-uneducated conjecture, there were likely some underlying health factors, some chemical contribution, and a great deal of stress-induced physiological stress that increased oxygen demand that would have increased Floyd's respiratory drive. Under normal circumstances, tidal breathing is enough to sustain our body's O2 need. Under states of extreme stress, as happens in situations like this, your lungs and chest need to do more work, involve chest wall and neck muscles, as well as increasing resp rate. When officer fuckface's knee is on the back of your neck/chest, you can't do that. Functionally, and morally, the conclusion is the same whether he kneeled on the back of his neck under those physiological conditions as if he had straight up strangled him with piano wire. He physically deprived that man the oxygenating capacity he needed to live. The only difference is that the former would not leave hallmark stigmata of strangulation on autopsy. I think this was more of an issue with chest wall mechanics being impaired. Upper airway asphyxia isn't the only way to die like this. Remember how they used to stack big rocks on dudes' chests in medieval times? Same concept So why did the independent examiners differ in their report? IDK. My guess is they're more comfortable inviting more speculation, or drawing constellations of not autopsy evidence into their conclusions. I can't imagine they found add'l physical findings from the autopsy specimens. Or, there were some borderline findings that they decided to round up. Whatever the case may be, I think this an appropriate function of an independent ME. And I respect the reasons why the county ME would want to strictly document relevant observable medical facts and not step further. Lastly, this absolfuckinglutely asinine MMA bro notion that "if they're talking they're fine" needs to disappear completely. That's only true for choking (sometimes). If someone tells you they can't breathe, they're probably not fucking lying to you, Chad. The main reason this is 100% murder is that the poor guy spent several minutes begging for this man to let him breathe. Before the next several minutes in which he was unresponsive, still with a knee on his neck. It doesn't matter one bit if this was strangulation or not. I hope to God another MN jury doesn't completely fuck this up like they did Jeronimo Yanez.
If you show me conclusive evidence that’s what happened I’ll happy to agree with you. I’m skeptical that’s the whole story.
Haha, dude you need to calm down or you’re going to have a heart attack. Which Amendments am I against?
Grow up man. You’re acting like a 5 year old who’s mommy took away his toy, but the toy is the ability to burn churches and destroy small businesses.
Has nothing to do with the substance of the arguments. I just think it’s a bit much that posters in this thread are wishing death on someone for expressing different opinions
MSNBC - rewind about 5 minutes to see the on location news reporter discuss what he observed, my quote was nearly verbatim
Hard pass. You didn’t see anything of the sort dude. You saw a clip of something that didn’t show what actually happened and are eating it up because it fits your narrative.