Bad Police Thread - where calling the police is a gamble

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  1. Daniel Ocean

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    lol you know what I mean. Are you saying they should hire armed private security and that somehow would be better/different than school police? It would be a difference without distinction. There needs to be a happy medium between getting rid of all school police and having them act like prison guards.
     
  2. dblplay1212

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    It needs to be someone trained to deal with juveniles. It needs to be someone trained to de-escalate. It needs to be someone with a tazer at most.

    That's not a cop.
     
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  3. Daniel Ocean

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    again it’s a difference without a distinction. I honestly don’t care what you call it/them. I am not arguing specifically for “cops” or school police. I am arguing against a lack of any type of security. IMO LAUSD over corrected by getting rid of all and any type of security. That is why I am saying there has to be something in between storm troopers and nothing.
     
  4. VaxRule

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    No it isn’t. Cops are agents of the state looking to put kids into the system. Security isn’t that.
     
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  5. dblplay1212

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    You objected to this post:
    Nobody is saying there should be no security at all. It just shouldn't be a cop.
     
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  6. IHHH

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    So fucking true, I was speaking with a friend Friday night and the guy is a cop. He was whining about having to deal with people with mental issues. He said that they are not trained to deal with these issues and it’s so true.

    you are asking a bunch of frat boys to deal with mental issues on a day to day basis.,,,,what the fuck could go wrong right?
     
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    dblplay1212

    I’m as ACAB as anyone but I’ve Have had some awesome cops in schools with me. Most have a super easy going disposition or work to connect with kids. It’s almost like the way Bunny explained shit to Carver.

    the good ones stay at a school for years, help out working games and sporting events and often gain the trust of a lot of kids and teachers, that way if something is about to go down, they catch wind of it

     
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  8. Daniel Ocean

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    so I guess we’re going to play the semantics game. School police aren’t agents of the state. They are in essence private security since they work for the school district and not any government. But, like I said I don’t care what you call it as long as it is there. If you two think private armed security would be better than school police fine knock yourselves out.

    Maybe you two would have not objected if I merely said “I used to think school police were a bad idea but now I don’t know and think there should be some sort of armed security”. Would that be better for you two? There is a very violent and (while it’s a small percentage of the community) aspect of the area she teaches in. Having zero security there is dangerous.
     
  9. Daniel Ocean

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    They couldn’t have parent teacher conferences on campus last week because of multiple shootings in the area. Gang members and parents are coming on to campus and beating up students. Gang members who are students are running amok and there have been multiple rapes/ sexual assaults at multiple campuses. It is a shit show.
     
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  10. IHHH

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    most of them are good people, it’s the frustrating part
     
  11. dblplay1212

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    Oh there's definitely exceptions. There's tons of great cops. But there's some bad ones and them mixed with kids is a nightmare.
     
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  12. dblplay1212

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    Did you read the thread prior to objecting? Watch this video. This is police in a school. It literally says it on their jackets.

    Nobody is saying there shouldn't be any type of security in a school. It just shouldn't be a minimally trained meathead cop that's quick to resort to violence on a 14 yr old.
     
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  13. Daniel Ocean

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    ugh
     
  14. VaxRule

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    You don’t have to be a cop to do any of that though. Also, you may actually be better able to build trust if you aren’t a cop that could arrest the kids.
     
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  15. VaxRule

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    Who the fuck said armed?
     
  16. Daniel Ocean

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    i literally did.
     
  17. dblplay1212

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    You're being weird about this. A video of cops using mace and a tazer on a kid in a school hallway was posted. Someone replied that police in school is a bad idea. You objected.

    If your argument is that schools need some type of security, cool, nobody disagrees. Just not regular cops that are quick to do what those cops did.
     
  18. VaxRule

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    You said I want armed security in schools. I do not.
     
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  19. dblplay1212

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    Hard pass.
     
  20. Daniel Ocean

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    i didn’t say you wanted that. I asked a question. Your answer would obviously be “no I don’t want armed security”.


    In Los Angeles “school security” is school police. I juxtaposed “school security “ with “police” because of what I am used to. LAUSD has gotten rid of all school security (school police).

    So I was more talking about my experience more than that video specifically. VaxRule said police in schools is a mistake and that was my opinion too until recently. LAUSD getting rid of school police (school security) has made me rethink that opinion. In Los Angeles the police in schools aren’t members of the police force (LAPD or LASD).
     
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  23. dblplay1212

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    You're completely ignoring the video that was posted and instead commenting on your local situation. The video showed armed police in the school. VaxRule commented on the video.

    Again, if you'd said "I think schools need some type of security", we wouldn't be going back and forth. Vax specifically said police after watching armed police mace and taze a kid in a school hallway. Police and school security are two different things.
     
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  24. Daniel Ocean

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    Yes I understand what VaxRule said. I too understand what I said. I like him used to think getting rid of school police was what needed to happen. I recently changed my mind. I think LAUSD over corrected by getting rid of school police. I’m not dismissing the video at all.
     
  25. dblplay1212

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    For the 10th time, he didn't say school police/security. He said police. Again, there's a difference.
     
  26. Daniel Ocean

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    Lol good talk
     
  27. dblplay1212

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    I was hoping you'd grasp it but just clear you won't.
     
  28. Daniel Ocean

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    there is nothing for me to grasp. I gave an opinion that because of personal experience is different than his. There is no reason for me to think LAPD in schools are a mistake because they aren’t in schools. So my opinion was that I used to think school police were a mistake now that opinion has changed a bit.
     
  29. dblplay1212

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    Do you want armed LAPD (not school security, but local cops) like you saw in the video in schools?
     
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  31. Daniel Ocean

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    honestly I want something not sure what. I understand why VaxRule feels the way he does. I just feel we tend to over correct sometimes. Going from storm troopers to nothing like LAUSD did isn’t the answer. I just want my wife safe while at work. It’s just a difficult situation.
     
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  32. Creighton

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    Everyone wants the perfect solution but so far no one has ever been able to find the right balance.

    We had another targeted murder in my city last night. On the news this morning people were blaming the city police for not doing more to stop gun crime. Either way the cops are going to be wrong.
     
  33. dblplay1212

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    Agree, it's tough. I'm 100% against having minimally trained cops patrolling schools looking for any reason to engage kids to fuck with them. Regardless if it's a private firm or a local cop, it needs to be a highly trained person. They need to be able to de-escalate. They need to be someone a kid can go to, not someone everyone is afraid of. If it is a local cop, it needs to be a senior position that someone trains years for. They need to wear casual clothes, not be in a cop uniform like those in the video. Kids, especially kids of color, are afraid of cops, and for good reason. It needs to be someone the parents trust and feel are looking out for their kid, not a meathead that parents worry will beat the ahit out of their kid given the chance. So yea its tough. Very few people can do that job well.
     
  34. Daniel Ocean

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    there has to be a happy medium between being storm troopers and doing nothing.
     
  35. Creighton

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    There is probably a reason why no one has figured out how to do it yet.

    Look at the video that spurned this discussion. The police are escorting one student away and a second student gets involved. The officer then pushes him out of the way and the student faces up with the officer as though he's going to fight him. The officer then pepper sprays him and the student continues to go after the police officer as though he's going to assault them. The officer then uses his taser on the student.

    Whichever side of the argument you're on, you can shift the goalposts to fit your bias. I can easily spin it that the student escalated the situation and I can also easily spin it that the officer escalated the situation.
     
  36. racer

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    Baby dick mother fuckers can’t even hold apart two teenagers trying to fight? Gtfoh
     
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  37. dblplay1212

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    You've got 2 adult cops and 1 high school kid. Was the kid wrong for getting close to the cops? Yes. Did the cop need to shove him like a rag doll? No. That's where it escalated. Just put an arm up and say get back. See where it goes from there. And after pepper spraying him, he can't see shit. Just step to the side to avoid him. No need to taze him. All those kids are now traumatized by seeing a cop mace and taze their classmate. That's not good.
     
  38. racer

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    Kid with the hair is dead or at least injured if he’s black, not sure if that’s been covered
     
  39. dblplay1212

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    To make it worse, the whole thing started bc some kids held some type of demonstration bc girls have been sexually assaulted and the school/police haven't done anything. But they showed up to arrest those protesting.
     
  40. Creighton

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    Would it be good for them to see that it's acceptable to attack the school resource officers without consequences? Probably not, that's why either way you spin it you come out with a "that's not good" conclusion.
     
  41. dblplay1212

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    He didn't attack them. He walked close to them and then got violently shoved, then pepper sprayed, then tazed. Not sure he ever touched them, honestly. He may have touched them while stumbling forward and being sprayed.

    And those aren't school resource officers. Those are regular cops that were called in to monitor a student demonstration after sexual assaults had been ignored.
     
  42. Creighton

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    The video doesn't show what happened before the shove. But the video does clearly show the student facing up with the officer in an aggressive manner before the pepper spray is deployed. The student then charges toward the officer after being pepper sprayed. You don't seem to dispute that, you just change the goal posts to whether or not the student touched the officers. At that point the officer is going to have to physically restrain him in some capacity. Therefore, either physically engaging the student or tasing the student. Which would you have preferred?
     
  43. dblplay1212

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    There's 2 videos. The second one shows a few seconds prior to the shove. He was just walking, looked like he may have reached forward for his classmate that was being taken away, and the cop on the right shoved him. After being sprayed, he stumbled toward the cop but clearly couldn't see shit from having been sprayed. The cop stepped to the side and avoided him. Them he tazed him. If a cop can't avoid a juvenile that can't see after being sprayed, that's an issue. At every step the cop escalated the situation.
     
  44. Creighton

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    You're making a factual determination about the quality of vision the student had from the video?

    You didn't answer the question about how you would like officer to restrain the student. The officer can't just avoid the student all day. Or are you suggesting the officer should have just let the student go after the incident?
     
  45. VaxRule

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    Not be there in the first place.
     
  46. Creighton

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    I'll defer to the school administration who felt differently.
     
  47. VaxRule

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    lol
     
  48. dblplay1212

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    I'm making a determination of how humans react to being sprayed directly in the face with pepper spray.

    I would have liked the officer to not violently the student to begin with. That's where things escalated. He hadn't impeded the cops or threatened them in any way. The cop had to be a badass and show his authority though.
     
  49. dblplay1212

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    The same ones that ignored sexual assaults claims that led to the demonstration?
     
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