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Discussion in 'Game of Thrones (ASOIAF)' started by miles, Apr 2, 2012.
More intriguing horn, Euron's or Sam's?
is the theory that euron's controls dragons while sam's (jaruman (sp?)) can bring down the wall?
I have a feeling that the person impersonating Pate is going to steal the Horn of Jaruman and bring down the wall.
The wall must go down for the others to attack westeros, right?
No doubt in my mind that the wall will go down eventually
Assuming they couldn't sail around Eastwatch or cross the mountains to the west, yes.
I dont know if they can't attack without it coming down. i mean wildlings would get over/through/around the wall all the time and these things are the most feared thing in the world so i imagine they have their ways too.
then again, i doubt there would be so much about a horn that could bring down the wall and sam have his mystery horn if nothing ever comes from that.
The wall is magic and repels the Others iirc
agreed. and i'm guessing it's from sam's horn.
horns are equally intriguing imo. one to bring down the wall starting the buttfucking, the other controlling the dragons that ends the buttfucking.
Valyria interests the hell out of me. What exactly the Doom was and all the cool shit you would find if you went there.
that's the theory but it obviously hasn't been put to the test. we'll have to wait and see
that's why euron is probably the most intriguing character to me. it seems like he's the only one around that has "seen" it and can speak to it. is the horn a joke and him just being craft or what?
I figured it was just like a natural disaster such as a volcano exploding and destroying the entire island.
From a wiki of ice and fire
While aboard the Selaesori Qhoran Tyrion recalls that it was written that on the day of Doom every hill for five miles had split asunder to fill the air with ash and smoke and fire, blazes so hot and hungry that even dragons in the sky were engulfed and consumed.
Great rents had opened in the earth, swallowing palaces, temples, entire towns. Lakes boiled or turned to acid, mountains burst, fiery fountains spewed molten rock a thousand feet into the air, red clouds rained down dragonglass and the black blood of demons, and to the north the ground splintered and collapsed and fell in on itself and an angry sea came rushing in.
The proudest city in all the world was gone in an instant, its fabled empire vanished in a day, the Lands of the Long Summer scorched and drowned and blighted.
It is said a wall of water 300 feet high descended on Velos drowning hundreds of thousands of man, women, and children, leaving none to tell the tale but some fisherfolk who had been at sea and a handful of Velosi spearmen posted in a stout stone tower on the island’s highest hill, who had seen the hills and valleys beneath them turn into a raging sea.
Fair Velos with its places of cedar and pink marble had vanished in a heartbeat. On the north end of the island, the ancient brick walls and steeped pyramids of theslaver port of Ghozai had suffered the same fate.
Sounds like Pompeii and Vesuvius to me.
Yeah, that's the way I took it, too.
i always figured it was a massive natural disaster but i wonder what it's like now. that's why euron is so interesting.
I think Euron is full of shit. the horn has powers for sure, but he didn't find it in Valyria imo.
probably. but how does he know, who gave it to him, etc.? still really interesting.
I'm team Victarion, no room for Euron.
victarion is no different than the mountain, the hound, hotah, insert badass, yet simple character.
guy is a viking and cares nothing more than being a badass on the battlefield or whatever. euron has a history and future plans, and i want to know about it.
Agree except when you lumped the hound into that category. The hound is an extremely deep and interesting character, and while those other secondary 'badass' characters function only to drive the plot, the hound is also used to drive character development of two major characters. Boring uniform characters like Victarion can't do that directly.
Is it true that one of the books alludes to Euron diddling Damphair when he was a kid? Damphair's POV always talks about how he fears Euron and the creaking door hinge or whatever. Just heard that, if true I'm definitively off Team Euron.
yeah i typed it, decided it wasnt good, then said fuck it and kept it in. probably not the best, but whatever. big badass with a simple job (hound doing everything joffrey said)
i dont know maybe. i didnt read near as deep into these books as many people because i red them all in a month, but i doubt it. euron probably creeped in and beat the fuck out of him or something.
From Wiki of Ice and Fire:
Aeron fears his brother Euron for reasons that are not presently clear. It is hinted that he may have been sexually molested during his childhood. He has recurring memories and nightmares of a door with screeching hinges, which he associates with Euron. He is still afflicted with guilt over the death of his brother Urrigon, who died from the infection of a wound that occurred while he and Aeron performed the Finger Dance, a traditional axe-juggling game among the Ironborn.
Hence cold hands cannot go thru it
I think it probably is more Euron torturing him or something than molesting him.
Also, I think there is more to the Doom than just a natural disaster. Some type of witchcraft or something that someone did that backfired like a motherfucker. The whole sword with no hilt thing.
can someone rehash how Sam got the Horn. I'm blanking here. I remember mance saying he had it, but Mel said it was a fake.
What mance had was some huge thing he dug up in the mountains and Mel was supposed to burn in the fire.
Sam's is what Ghost found with the obsidian daggers.
I didn't say iron born are fags.
I said they're bitches.
I said they were fags.
i'd be pissed off all the time too if I was relegated to living on those shitty islands my whole life.
I bet you always pay the golden price.
Dragon glass you magic hating maesterfag
This just makes me mad
This just makes me sad. Robb's email:
roses r red violets r blue i killed your dad SUCKS TO BE YOU kingslayed me, everthing else p much made me a saaaad panda. ;_;
In reverse chronological order imo
Yeah. Whoever made it did it that way so that it's easier to read. Most people read things top to bottom even though emails are newest first.
That was sad, but fucking excellent
Tyrion email at the end was awesome.
Seems like I'm one of the few that has gotten over the Red Wedding. It had to be done for the plot to progress/prophecies to be fulfilled, so doesn't really bother me anymore. Never had any Robb POV's, so I never got too involved with his character, and fuck Catlyn. Glad that bitch got put down.
Poster kind of sucked, but lost hard at your heh.
Sad that this board will now die out for another year.
I think the showrunners are doing a big disservice by not including flashbacks. Tower of Joy and "Promise me Ned" are huge.
Now that I'm all caught up, I've been trying to read through all the threads I couldn't. Happy to see that others feel the same way about Jon that I did before I had read the books. Didn't understand why so many people loved him, but TV Jon is such a bitch while book Jon is the exact opposite.
Strange reading all the bitching about the changes in season 2 (besides the one above) though. Since I watched then read, I didn't mind the change to the House of the Undying (though it's obviously much more important for the end game than what was shown on TV). Still bottles my mind the change to the Arya story.
Can't wait for season 3.1. Agree with the people itt who thinks it should end with the Red Wedding. I think that'd be the best cliffhanger possible moving into season 3.2.