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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by racer, Apr 8, 2021.
THE SMARTER FINANCIAL DECISION IS TO BUY A $40K CAR AND NOT A $90K ONE
woah let's not get crazy here, need my class signifier for the boys
I'm still a bit pissed about paying $35k for the wife's Lexus in 2009
Both sides need to stop viewing it as a reward or assistance, and look at it more as a leveling tool to bring EVs into an affordable range.
If you’re in the 20k price range can go get a Chevy Cruze for 20k or a Chevy Bolt EV for 32.5k with 12.5k rebate then all of a sudden you can realistically choose that Bolt, especially when you factor in the 1/3 energy cost per year and such. That’s a buttload of customers. The same thing at 90k down to 78k works on the same principle, but the customer base is so much smaller up there and much closer to terminal when it comes to EV adoption. If automakers are focused on the luxury segment they won’t have as many resources to put into the affordable segments to produce adequate volume, market, or develop cost saving/value adds.
Ride a bike
Maybe when we have bikable cities. I would ride my bike to work occasionally in Montana and would nearly get ran over about 30% of the time.
Watch where ur going
my brother was a huge biking guy when he lived in montana, moved to northern VA and sold his bike in two weeks because drivers ran him off the road multiple times
That range bomb
It is basically government subsidization of EV producers that allows them to sell relatively higher priced electric vehicles at somewhat competitive prices with the expectation that EVs eventually become the norm and independently viable. Tesla would've probably gone bankrupt without the prior version, and the current proposal helps legacy manufacturers bridge the financial gap from ICE to EV.
The buyers are just the secondary beneficiary. And the high-priced market won't dominate the EV space moving forward like it has in the past, so from the industry perspective there is less need to push for legislation that favors high priced buyers, especially if that's what it takes to get the bill passed.
I can get behind that argument. Still prices me out of the market but that’s a much better argument than anything else posted itt.
Yea racer put it that way earlier. In that sense, I get it. I had never had anyone put it that way. I always viewed it as an incentive to the buyer to choose EV, in which case it wouldn't make sense to have a cap on it. "You make too much so we don't care what you buy" is a terrible argument and many were making itt earlier. What you and racer said makes way more sense.
Hmmm. Not sure why they took that approach.
I really want that Rivian but man I have a hard time buying a new truck from a first time builder. Feels like a huge gamble. Would feel much better if it was Ford or Tesla making it.
you're priced out of the arbitrary SINGULAR EV you want, that's it, not EV's in general or even luxury EV's
That’s so huge I have no idea why Ford wouldn’t make that clear but it further validates my reservation. A 400 mile range is huge.
None of the other EVs have the features I’m looking for. So yeah, I’m out of the market.
that's what we're all saying, you want a government handout to get into a 90k vehicle at a discount despite really being able to pay that price if you wanted and have incredibly narrow requirements
Can't the same be said for the person that wants the 50k F150 but wouldn't buy it without the incentive?
can they get into a 50k f150 without the discount?
that's a much stickier question than in the 90k market
You act like 12k is just chump change that somebody that can afford an 80k truck wouldn't give a flying fuck about. Like they just lose it in the couch oops.
NOT TO BE THAT GUY
but if you calculate the difference between a monthly payment on a 85k or a 95k payment
yeah, it doesn't fucking matter if the former is good
The point is EVs in general cost about 10ish thousand more than their gas counterparts. A model 3 shouldn't be 48k. So the government is trying to get the person who would typically be in that market for that 35k car and give them the difference so they can get an EV instead of an ICE vehicle. (similarly with the SR model 3 and lots of other EVs that are in the high 30s that would now be in the high 20s).
The government doesn't care about people who can afford 90k cars, nor should they.
12k is 12k any way you slice it. I've been looking at the 392 for months. Yes, I can afford it, but it feels very wasteful to buy it. But if the dealer called me tomorrow and said they'd sell it for 68k rather than 80k, I'd walk there to buy it. You can say it's only $200 difference a month, which isn't a big deal for me, but it's still $12k and I'd feel much better about buying it.
you keep saying the bold but it's literally not, if 12k is 35% of your car vs 8% of your purchase it's a much different scenario. that money is functionally different which you admit by saying it's not a big deal to you.
you're just explaining your own irrational decision making process
*taps the robespierre did nothing wrong sign*
Yes, the 12k may be a bigger deal to the guy buying a 40k car but 12k is still 12k. It may not prohibit me from buying the Rivian but getting it would definitely be a positive and make the Rivian more attractive.
so 12k, is not just 12k
It literally is.
After 4 dozen posts the argument is still just "but I want the rebate too"
if you can't understand the disparate utility of $ as peoples income changes you aren't worth talking to
No, it's really not. If the goal is to get manufacturers to make more affordable EV, ok cool. If the goal is to get more people to buy EV, it should apply to every EV.
20 GOTO 10
If you can't grasp that 12k is still large enough enough be important to someone buying a 90k vehicle, this is pointless. Every person buying a 90k vehicle isn't a billionaire thay scoffs at 12k. If it were $500, whatever. But $12k is a lot of money, even for someone buying a 90k vehicle.
you can't admit the disparate utility is enormous, even while admitting it doesn't mean anything to you
its a lost cause
So it's not enough to be OK with the premise, you have to set up a false premise and then spend the evening arguing against it
Do you live near a beach? Because I think you could use a walk
That's never been the argument. Of course it means more going form 50 to 38 than 90 to 78 but 12k is still 12k and it's still important to the guy at 90/78. You act like someone buying a 90k truck just scoffs at 12k and it wouldn't affect what they buy and that's just wrong.
Multiple itt are arguing that it shouldn't apply bc the person making 90k doesn't need it. I think that's dumb.
I've said multiple times that racer argument makes sense. That's not what others are arguing though.
then why deny this for multiple posts
its bizarre the degree to which you're digging in
I haven't at all.
Again, if the goal is to make EV more attractive to buyers, it should apply to all EV. That's not a wild take at all. The 90k EV is more appealing at 78k just like the 50k EV is more appealing at 38k. Is the disparity as severe? No, but it doesn't change that it makes the 90k one more appealing to be at 78k.
Now, if the goal is to get manufacturers to make more 40k EV, that's a completely different argument and I can get behind that. I've said it multiple times itt. But that's now what you've been arguing.
You appealed to your county property appraiser to lower your property taxes because you didn’t want to pay as much per year for your home and then show up and lecture me for wanting an overpriced vehicle at a more reasonable price. If you can afford your property taxes, why appeal? Because you wanted to pay a few dollars less per month. Simple enough.
90k to 78k is a roughly $250 a month savings. That’s a 23% price difference per month. That’s not insignificant at all
After reading through the last couple pages I keep coming back to this: Imagine having to finance a Rivian and not just paying cash.
You priced yourself out of the market by wanting a car you apparently can't afford.
It’s dbl he’s got a thick fucking skull.
Oh that’s great. I’m 90% sure I’m converting my reservation to an order in the fall.
Yup. Was hopeful that the credit would bring it more into my range, was not the case.
Buy a cheaper car???
Cars have very limited use, but legs can do many things