Global Warming Debunked Again

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  1. soulfly

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    I’m honestly confused as to why you just now liked this post I made 4 years ago TheChatch

    Normally I’m used to Yakima not having snowfall beginning in February and March. And I’ve become accustomed to 105 degree temps in the summers. My shithole had one day of 100 that I’m aware of this year. I’m assuming you have a point.

    The oceans are dying, bud. I’m assuming you know this.

    What gives?
     
  2. soulfly

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    TheChatch do your Seattle thing. Buy your farmers market shit. Everything you’re into probably comes from Yakima, you fuck. I’m proud of my people and my town.
     
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    Global warming thread. Most of what you consume is from central WA. This thread is extremely cute. Kindly fuck off.
     
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    July was the hottest month ever recorded
     
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    This is a hall of fame bad post and the 13 posters who liked it suck
     
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  10. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    So pathetic that China, and probably India in the next decade, are going to completely do a better job aggressively fighting climate change than the US.
     
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    Could get up to 115 in PHX this week:feelsbadman:
     
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    This imbecile teaches school children
     
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    :ahh:
     
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    That colossal piece of shit got off easy by voluntarily exiling himself
     
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    Man that cultural grievance is thick in those posts by Moxin. Doesn't give a shit that we're boiling the planet. The real issue is the left was correct about us boiling the planet and I don't like them. Why did anyone ever take him seriously?
     
  16. BellottiBold

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    So the Amazon is being burned to the ground and we don't appear to be talking about it yet

     
  17. Prospector

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    More acres for soybeans to be sold to China
    Also, their pos President says NGOs are to blame
     
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    I guess one of the things happening is that people are deliberately starting fires on indigenous people's land so that they can use them for cattle grazing when the trees are gone, because they know bolsonaro isn't going to do shit :tebow:
     
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    nbd
    Alaska's water temperatures have been so hot this summer that salmon are dying off in large numbers


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    Salmon are showing up dead in record numbers across Western Alaska this summer, and scientists believe it is due to an unprecedented heat wave. Stephanie Quinn-Davidson, a scientist and director of the Yukon Inter-Tribal Fish Commission, led a group of fellow scientists to investigate along the Koyokuk River and counted “850 dead unspawned salmon on that expedition, although they estimated the total was likely four to 10 times larger.” The scientists saw no signs of disease or infections. These salmon, they believe, are dying off in record numbers due to the heat.

    According to KTUU, many of the salmon found dead were carrying healthy eggs. Scientists know that rising water temperatures can enervate salmon too much to go through with spawning. It also makes moving oxygen through their bodies more difficult. Other researchers told NPR that salmon are known for being very “resilient” creatures. Their known resilience is what’s most disturbing about these die-offs.

    Cook Inletkeeper’ science director Sue Mauger, who has been tracking “stream temperatures in non-glacial systems across the Cook Inlet watershed since 2002,” released a statement explaining that while they had never seen stream temperatures above 76 degrees Fahrenheit, they had clocked temperatures of 81.7 F in early July.

    Mauger explains that these temperatures are clearly having a profound affect on the salmon, who normally wait until evenings for water temperatures to drop below 70 degrees Fahrenheit. During this summer’s heatwave, temperatures in the streams haven’t been dropping below 70 at night.
     
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  20. infected donkey

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    Here comes a realist hot take. When wind is producing we are a minimum load. When wind goes away who makes up that power? In 1 hour last week wind went from producing 50%(15000Mwe) of our entire profile to making 500 Mwe. We got dispatched to 100% plus reserve power multiple times throughout the day/week as heat loads increased within the region and all our natural gas plants were called to come online and our total profile was 54% coal and 46% natural gas to keep electricity costs down. We made a shit ton of money those few days because of the wind being down and our natural gas plants still lost money even though they were REQUIRED to be online to provide electricity to all of you people.
     
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    Is solar power non-existent where you live?
     
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    What do you think you're arguing against? A world where wind is the only source of electricity?
     
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  24. infected donkey

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    Pretty much in our power market. Which is the Midwest. It’s max output is what we run at minimum load.
     
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  26. The Banks

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    I mean, this is pretty basic, we need more wind and we need more solar, coalesce that with natural gas/nuclear for peak times (nuclear preferred if we can get past the lobbying and figure out long term deposit issues) while improving our energy storing capabilities. There should be no need for coal in the 21st century.

    Your post is arguing for that, whether you realize that or not. It makes it seem that people are arguing for 100% wind. Literally no one is doing that.
     
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    You realize its max is dependent upon...a litany of factors. Your post makes your look like a corporate lackey that doesn’t understand distribution and transmission grids.
     
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  28. BellottiBold

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    Yea.
    This is going to be a fucking disaster
     
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  29. infected donkey

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    Considering I work directly with these entities everyday (and have for the past 9 years in fossil, nuclear, and hydro). I think I’m quite versed on how all this works.
     
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  30. Prospector

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    When that gets into the water it is going to kill a bunch of shit
     
  31. Arliden

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    It would be more wind, solar, hydro, and geothermal plus HVDC transmission lines to interconnect areas that are more abundant in solar or wind to areas of high demand. HVDC lines are a big part of the picture as well as battery storage.
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  32. Arliden

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    I think infected donkeys point is the biggest problem facing renewables is we need a form of stable base load. In the long run natural gas isn't going to cut it and nuclear seems to be the only way forward whether its uranium powered or we have some thorium breakthrough.

    But nuclear is not loved by the public and will have a large NIMBY backlash.

    As for the waste issues personally they should go into Yucca mountain and be located in one spot rather than 100 like it is now.

    This I agree with, and the lowest hanging fruit for us to pick is to reduce our 27% or so of coal energy consumption in this country.
     
  33. infected donkey

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    Also the nuclear proliferation treaty not allowing us to recycle our nuclear fuel is absurd. At my old plant during 3 18 month cycles out of the ~5% uranium enrichment we’d only use about 5% of the available uranium in there. During the fusion process other elements are created etc that are neutron absorbers (poisons is what we called them) that make the fuel bundle no longer viable because the reaction could no longer be sustained due to competition for the neutrons.
     
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  34. Arliden

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    Didn't really know about this and consequently spent some time researching, apparently Europe and in particular France already do this.

    Seems like the argument around this is boiled down to several points.

    -Recycling or reprocessing would create a possible terrorist threat: this process creates a powdered form of plutonium and not much would be needed to create a nuclear weapon which is why Jimmy Carter banned this process originally. This powdered form would be too hard to keep track of accurately compared to the current highly radioactive rods which have a naturally inherent deterrent: being radioactive.

    -Would create significantly more low level waste (in terms of 300-500 years rather than 10,000 years), but it would reduce the long term waste (the 10,000 year version).

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    -Costly vs the current once through form raw uranium is cheap. That and we would have to spend a lot researching these new methods/ years spent constructing these new plants.

    Thats significantly more waste which I think makes it not really feasible.
     
  35. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    This is a site my company works on, a (partially?) capped landfill where we use the methane to power generators that help deliver electricity to the grid. This isn't easy or cheap however, my co-worker says the methane really eats at the engines of the huge generators we work on and they basically have to be completely rebuilt every couple of years, but the site basically always on and at least one 2000kw generator is running at or more 50% load iirc.

    https://www.macon.com/news/local/community/houston-peach/article28577638.html
     
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  36. infected donkey

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    Eh they’re not radioactive(have the potential) when you get them. I’ve handled new fuel before, have to put them in water and hit them with some neutrons to start the reaction.
     
  37. Arliden

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    Interesting, im assuming this converts the methane to CO2 which is beneficial since Methane’s a more potent greenhouse gas.
     
  38. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Good question, I don't know the byproduct of using it to power the gens but I'm guessing it isn't carbon free.
     
  39. Arliden

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    Most definitely isn't carbon free but that landfill is going to off gas methane either way, if we get some power out of it plus change the byproduct from Methane to CO2 seems like a positive contribution given the situation.
     
  40. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    Yep, one of these things that seems like a no-brainer given how awful landfills are, but unfortunately isn't cheap by any means to install.
     
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  43. Prospector

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    Hurricane Dorian's speed and path match predictions of Dr. Jennifer Francis from 2012...


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    Hurricane Dorian

    Dorian, like Florence and other recent storms, Matthew, and as far back as Sandy are the new normal. Hurricanes that are huge, but more dangerous because they are slow — dumping monumental amounts of rainfall on areas in their paths.

    These type of storms are the Earth’s way of redistributing the enormous amount of increased moisture released from Glacial melt. And this was not a surprise to those listening to the scientists or who have lived through one or more of these storms that ‘stall out’ — stall outs predicted by Professor Jennifer Francis of Rutgers in 2012.

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    Professor Jennifer Francis of Rutgers University has noted that the heating of the Arctic is not just causing the Sea Ice to melt, but it is also changing the way the World's Jet Stream functions. The Jet Stream normally moves South towards the equator, heats up, then moves north to the Arctic, then cools down, and slopes back down to the Equator.This is what drives all of the weather patterns across the world.However with the rapid heating of the Arctic, this cycle is being disrupted. The Jet Stream now flows South to the Equator, heats up and then when it heads North to the Arctic, it stalls out because the Arctic now is nearly as warm as the temperate zones.
    The second way that Arctic amplification is expected to influence the jet stream and our weather is by increasing the “waviness” of the jet stream.Because of Arctic amplification, the northern peaks of waves, called ridges, will experience more warming than the southward dips, called troughs. This is expected to cause the ridges to stretch northward,which will increase the size of the waves. Larger swings in the jet stream allow frigid air from the Arctic to plunge farther south, as well as warm, moist tropical air to penetrate northward. These wavy flows often lead to record-breaking temperatures. Meteorologists have also known for a long time that larger jet-stream waves progress eastward more slowly, as will the weather systems associated with them. Consequently this represents another mechanism that will cause weather conditions to linger. 1

    This weakened or 'broken' Jet stream is allowing warmer air farther north into the Arctic, and causing storms that usually move through a region in a short period of time to stall out. The result are storms like Hurricane Sandy in October of 2012, which shifted dramatically from the southern Atlantic to the Northeast - created a once in 700 year Hurricane that completely inundated New York and New Jersey, flooding Subways, cutting off roads, destroying houses and taking over 200lives.

    USD),a total surpassed only by Hurricane Katrina.[4]At least 286 people were killed along the path of the storm in seven countries.[5]The severe and widespread damage the storm caused in the United States, as well as its unusual merge with a frontal system, resulted in the nicknaming of the hurricane by the media and several organizations of the U.S. government "Superstorm Sandy".2

    While past hurricanes like Katrina have been unusually strong, they have had historical context for the region where they strike, the Gulf Coast or the Southern area of the Hemisphere. But Hurricane Sandy struck in the late fall and in the Northern Hemisphere. The “Biblical” rainstorm that hit Colorado did so during the dryer part of the Summer,typically when people are more concerned about Forest fires. Both of these weather events 'stalled' over a particular region and caused massive flooding – primarily due to the Jet stream failing to operate as it has usually operated in known history.

    1Francis, Jennifer “Linking Weird Weather to the Rapid Warming of the Arctic” Environment 360, March 5,2012

    2Shukman, David “Superstorm Sandy Triggers Climate Blame Game” BBC News, November 2, 2012



    The point of all this can be summed up in the graphic of Hurricane Dorian above — under the category of “Movement” it is listed as ‘Stationary’ . A record breaking speed of winds but moving at under 10 miles an hour all the way down to not moving at all, is what is causing the coastline of the Bahamas to become submerged under feet of rain. All indicators of the effects of jet stream ‘waviness’ or weakness. A hurricane with this strength should be moving fast, not crawling.

    When Florence hit North Carolina, it was only a Category 1. But it was slow, very slow. Florence was moving 2-3 miles per hour and inundated eastern NC with torrential flooding.

    Slower winds than Matthew and Floyd, but rainfall and flooding were more damaging from Florence.

    Property damage and economic losses in the United States reached $24.23 billion (2018 USD),[2] with $24 billion in damages in the Carolinas alone;[8] estimated insured losses ranged between $4.8–5 billion.[9][10] One preliminary estimate for North Carolina was nearly $17 billion (2018 USD), more than the damage from Hurricane Matthew and Hurricane Floyd in that state combined.[10]

    As I watched the predictions of the path of Hurricane Dorian, I noticed the weather forecasters were also surprised by how slow Dorian is moving. And slow is more dangerous, and a sign that the Earth is redistributing excess moisture in this way and may be the new normal.

    Our best hope is that Dorian heads out to sea, or speeds up its path, fingers crossed.

    I don't like to leave readers with just bad news - so here is on solution I wrote about first here, years ago and referenced again last year at this time (9/7/18)
     
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    this is why the US not taking climate refugees is indefensible
     
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    this is literally the best post on this site
     
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