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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by dtx, Jan 22, 2020.
lol I’m constantly amazed and how seemingly intelligent educated dudes are so bad at analogies.
do you think anyone itt is advocating for kids/teachers/administration to be armed in schools? When we say something must be done do you think we are advocating for more guns in school? Do you think people itt want a society filled with assholes conceal carrying or carrying everywhere. I mean JFC. There is nothing inconsistent with thinking that assholes walking around like it’s the Wild West is fucking stupid and wanting to do something about school shootings. I mean seriously what the actual fuck made you think you were making a good point.
Idkwtf you’re even talking about, Daniel. And clearly you don’t understand my point.
The argument that mass shootings/school shootings warrant a response by virtue of their statistical significance irt to gun crime while admonishing someone who chooses to legally conceal carry bc the likelihood they’ll ever need it to defend themselves/others is statistically insignificant, is inconsistent imo. Particularly when supported by simpleton logic like, “well you haven’t ever had to use a gun in self defense so therefore you clearly don’t need one”. That’s dumb. Better to have and not need, than need and not have. I’ve never been attacked by a bear while hiking, still carry bear spray. My kid knows how to swim, has yet to drown, still wears a life jacket on the boat and watched like a hawk in/near water. I’ve yet to be burglarized, still set my alarm every night. It’s as disingenuous as claiming my conceal carrying is proof it works as a crime deterrent/safety measure bc I’ve yet to be killed, harmed, or the victim of a crime. Like many things in this world, you don’t need it until you do. Hope that day never comes, but would rather have one than not if the need arose.
There’s no gun worship over here, I think tacti-cool gun culture is eye rollingly stupid. I’m fairly large, strong, in good physical condition, self aware and level headed enough to attempt to avoid or extract myself from dangerous situations, but I can still conceive situations where having one makes sense/is necessary/unavoidable regardless of my ability/willingness to fight or precautions taken to avoid conflict.
To be clear, I find this particular line of logic lacking, not the gun control argument in general. I’m not arguing the proliferation of gun culture or the ease of access to guns is not a problem. They are. But so long as this is our reality, I’d rather have one than not.
Tacti-cool really is just the fucking worst
That last line is the epitome of tell me you’re a white dude without telling me you are a white dude.
I've never had an experience in my life where I needed to have a gun.
Then have you really lived? JK guns are dumb.
There was a dude open carrying on the fastener aisle at Home Depot the other day. I just do not understand what goes through people's mind that before you go to Home Depot you better get your gun.
I’m in a whiskey club with about 20 people and one of the guys had his gun on his holster for our last meeting. He looks about how you would expect, dumpy, disheveled with a neck beard but I kept thinking how lucky we were to have someone here to take care of us if something popped off at a closed bar with 15-20 men and women in their 30s-50s drinking and learning about Angels Envy.
Never felt more safe
Most of the people I've seen carry like that are the last people you would want waving a gun around in a tense situation. It's real neat
I’m 100% willing to bet if we both drew what these people look like they would be exactly the same person.
Beeds, you’re a fucking idiot.
Lowe’s I can see. But Home Depot?
Yeah I mean that's why I don't go to Lowes
I know, right? Just sitting there all white, and male, and whatnot. What a piece of shit.
I was robbed at gunpoint once. You know what I didn't need? A gun to protect my wallet. While I'm sure it would have been fun to draw down and have a shootout, nobody got killed and the total cost to me was less the cost of a gun.
Every single day. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong on this one. Gun laws were written by people who owned black people and considered us 3/5th of a person. Most laws in this country were written for white people, except for the ones that stopped us from being slaves, gave us the right to vote and gave us equal rights. That last one was written in your parents lifetime.
Gun laws and guns in general are a white mans game. A black man open carrying is far more likely to be seen as a criminal and more likely to get into an escalated situation with the cops. This is the only country in the world with this stupid ass gun fetish and it’s not accident more deaths happen here per capita because of it.
This made the rounds here but it’s exactly my point.
my buddy’s dad (retired sheriff deputy) was charged with organizing a “security team” at his southern baptist church. basically the deacons, all old and fat, strap weapons to their legs and sit strategically in the pews in the event someone wants to shoot up a congregation of racist white people.
this was in response to mother emmanuel
I don’t know if we have a gun thread, but I get the idea of guns for sport. Definitely not my thing but if hunting is your thing and you use all parts of what you kill, good on you. I also get guns for use at home for protection. I draw the line at assault rifles. What kind of shit are you into that you need an AR-15 to protect your family? And as far as open carry, how shitty of a human do you have to be to think that you’re going to get into some shot that requires you to be Doc Holliday?
We’re not in disagreement about anything you just posted or the reality that blacks + guns are treated/perceived differently than whites + guns. But that’s not really directly related to my statement that “unfortunately there are some problems that can only be solved by having a gun”.
For one, I specified conceal carry. Open carry is non sensical from a self defense perspective.
And while I appreciate all the anecdotal evidence from user experiences with crime, I’ll pass on using it as a risk barometer.
Tell us when you’ve been crimed on that makes you think you need this.
i've never understood the desire to want to put yourself in that situation. i'm a really good shot with a rifle and pistol at the range, but 100% chance that shit doesn't translate to a real world situation. hell, if paintball is anything like a real world encounter i'm hitting maybe 1 out of a 100 shots
I was never a big first person shooter guy, but I'm guessing after enough games of Counterstrike some people think they want to try it out for real?
What’s the objective data on concealed carry harm vs “benefit.”
I don’t really care a great deal about guns one way or the other, aside from generally agreeing that it’s simply too easy for shitty people to get their hands on them.
That said, unless you’re in law enforcement or are carrying tons of cash around and need a specific deterrent for that, I don’t see any compelling reason why a regular citizen needs to carry a weapon around. The chances of it being actually useful in an already unlikely situation are infinitesimally small and certainly smaller than the risk of misuse of it because of an overreaction. If you’re concerned about a possible mugging or old timey stick-up, the perp is going to come at you with a gun drawn already so you’re exponentially more likely to die going for your own gun than just handing over your shit.
All that said, I know a bunch of otherwise normal people who conceal carry. I think it’s dumb, but at least none of them are psychos.
Yeah, I’m not dbl’ing up this thread debating hypotheticals. I’ll just stand by my statement that I can conceive the need for one, not influenced or created by some perverse desire to be a hero or kill someone.
As someone mentioned, 50k years of human aggression, predatory pathologies, etc. I’m certain the scenario exists without getting into details of what neighborhoods I frequent.
People who carry in public don’t go to “the hood.” They live and stay amongst people who look and behave like they do. The only threat to a guy with a goatee and a gun is another guy with a goatee and a gun.
DING DING DING! Say it louder for the people in the back!
Glad you self-owned there.
All of those things you listed have no downside; bear spray, seatbelts, life jackets, etc. That's not the case with people carrying guns bc they fear the boogeyman around the corner.
I'm shocked that the poster that's so insecure he felt the need to post his own dick on here and post many private pictures of naked women without their consent is also afraid to go out in public without a gun.
lol we've heard this before
Haha change the record.
I've never understood the appeal of guns tbh. I don't really even get hunting. I don't want to go shoot animals.
People watch movies and think they would be John Wick when in actually they’d be every bad guy shooting in any movie ever if they were in an active shooting situation.
This Chumbolone guy thinks he’s a character in the Sopranos, so none of this is shocking.
i don't care for the actual act of killing the animal, but i enjoy sitting out in the environment and i enjoy the meat that i get from the process. but actually killing a deer or whatever? not that great imo
I mean I'm not a vegetarian so glass houses but I like don't want to take part in killing a cow
I frequent the hood. I own properties in Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth. Ask people familiar with those areas if driving through there at 2am to shut off the water bc there’s a leak or to tarp off the roof bc a tree fell on it during a storm is something they’d feel safe doing.
Are any of those homes located on Appletini Drive? I hear that strip is wild.
Theres no downside to me carrying a gun if I have no ill intent either. You can use bear spray to assault someone.
Numbered streets mostly. Look em up since everyone likes to google.
Yes, there is. That's another gun in our society that can be used to harm people. I know, I know, I know... you're a responsible gun owner. Every gun owner is until they aren't.
I’m right there with you. I’ve lost friends and family tot gun violence but it’s never made me think of getting a gun. If we’re being 100% honest I live with a level of daily depression that makes me having a gun more dangerous to myself than others.
Yeah there's loads of statistics that having a gun around actually makes you and your loved ones less safe. One of those is the increased risk of self harm
Loose gun/Open Carry Gun laws etc.... exist to allow whites to legally murder POC.
Those laws have never existed for minorities to carry guns. Just ask Philando Castile.... O that's right, you can't because he's dead for legally carrying a firearm
Why do I think I’m a character in the Sopranos? And this is why I don’t want to answer your questions, it’s never in good faith. You’re a fat fucking failure with no self control pushing 400lbs, are all of your opinions/positions questionable bc of this? No. Would you like me to bring it up in every disagreement we have? No.
Yeah but at least the NRA went to bat for him as a member after it happe…wait, never mind.
Damn near every law in this fucking country has some kind of racist as undertone to it. Fucking garbage, I keep tellin black people "These gun laws are not for you, if you walk down the street with an AR the cops will straight up fucking kill you. You're not a white man or woman so don't act like one."
That settles it, I better strap up or move.
Those broken windows in Portsmouth. Horrifying.