Just watched the new ep. This show That was GOAT ep so far no doubt right? Going back to read 4 pages of timeline theories
It would be dumb if there was an actual maze with an old man living in the middle. Has to be metaphorical. I hope that didn't have to be said, but... some of you are kinda worrying me.
I'm sure most of you know this considering the director leaked it, but Ford is gay. Arnold was his lover.
When I say Bernard is Arnold I don't mean Bernard is Arnold, that's absurd. I mean Bernard is using the transmitter to talk to the hosts. Evidence: talks with dolores. Also Bernard really wanted to know what Elsie found but didn't ask any specific questions. I find it curious they cut out the conversation between Bernard and Theresa after Elsie tells him.
Thats very telling (they cut the convo between him and Theresa). Bernard also could have sent the nearest bot to snatch her as soon as they got off the phone. Not quite sure how the bicameral mind thing works in the first gen bots. What device is used to speak to them?
Had subtitles on and one of the workers around The map said latitude 1.69 and 2. Something degrees. 1.69 is pretty much the equator
Are the landscapes supposed to be preexisting or are they entirely human engineered too? If it's the latter seems like the park would have to be somewhere not on Earth. Also the latter seems impossible as how could they do stuff like carve every nook and cranny in every little rock face. But yeah like that mesa bar spot they were at, was that created by computers or some shit like Inception?
Let's go boys: http://www.cracked.com/article_24443_westworld-actually-exists-in-japan-and-its-scary-as-hell.html Westworld Actually Exists In Japan (And It's Scary As Hell) Spoiler By now, you probably know HBO's Westworld as the show that forced you to have an awkward talk with your significant other about whether you'd ever get it on with a sexy robot. Before it was understudying for Game Of Thrones' role as TV's creepy uncle, Westworld was an old, not-so-great movie directed by the acclaimed author of Jurassic Park / guy who crapped out Congo, Michael Crichton. Crichton successfully anticipated that humanity's relationship with technology would only become more intimate and ethically complex in the future -- but was way off with his prediction that big, floppy '70s porn staches would stay in style. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer"Sorry, but my programming is having difficulty processing the term 'mustache ride.'" The new TV show similarly tells the story of Westworld, a wild-west-themed park of the future where animatronic characters are bedded, murdered, and generally defiled by the type of tourists who we can only assume were thrown out of Disney's Hall of Presidents for lewd behavior. HBO HBOSwapping the "Happiest place on Earth" for the "Happiest ending." You probably wish some Anthony-Hopkins-like eccentric would hurry up and build a real Westworld for the adventure seekers and filthy perverts of today to enjoy. Well, guess what? There already was a Westworld ... but it's abandoned and falling to pieces in Japan. Shane ThomsOh, and so, SO fucking haunted. Beginning in the early 1970s, the Japanese town of Tochigi has been home to Western Village, a theme park celebrating the American wild west in all of its gun-toting, manure-reeking glory. Guests of Western Village got to step back in time -- which, according to its TV commercial, mainly involved shooting people and waving from train platforms. Not unlike Westworld (which came out shortly before this park opened), Western Village was a recreation of a Western town populated by animatronic citizens vaguely resembling famous Western movie stars ...'s sex doll doppelgangers. Hirotosi Suda/YouTube Hirotosi Suda/YouTube Hirotosi Suda/YouTubeLooks like the good and the bad went on vacation and left us with this. Sadly, because no one seems to give a shit about the Western genre in the 21st Century, Western Village closed in 2007. On the bright side, nobody bothered to actually demolish it, meaning that if you can get your ass to Japan, the deserted streets of this defunct theme park are yours to roam -- if you're cool with violating trespassing laws and are for some reason longing to be the lonely Sheriff of Garbagetown. Sure, any abandoned, overgrown amusement park is inherently unsettling, but creepier still, the animatronic townspeople are all still lurking about, waiting to infect your nightmares. If Western Village closed because the robots had become sentient, these remaining characters were probably too damn lazy to go on any murder sprees. Yykitakita/YouTube Yykitakita/YouTube Shane Thoms TheUwagaPies/YouTubeGood luck trying not to envision that every time you close your eyes from now on. Maybe it's less creepy at night? Via YouTubeNope. Most bizarrely, a figure modeled after screen legend John Wayne can still be seen in the park, but with all of his robotic innards embarrassingly exposed to the world. Yes, puncturing our image of the macho badass, some hooligan left him with a bulbous pink pouch peeking out of his fly -- but damned if he doesn't still look dignified as hell with Old Glory behind him and his dangling robo-scrotum. Michael John Grist/YouTubeThankfully, the designers didn't feel the need to include his "lil' pilgrim." Oddly, there seems to be yet another John Wayne dummy, this one dressed as a respectable lady. Perhaps this park, like its fictional counterpart, really did cater to weird fetishes. After weathering the elements, though, classy Lady Duke's tattered clothes have jarringly revealed his metal endoskeleton -- making him look less like a cinematic icon, and more like if your Nana was a goddamn Terminator. AbandonedKansaiVideo"Come with me if you want to live lint-covered hard candy." Of course, the town wouldn't be complete without a shooting range ... Shane Thoms ... though if movies have taught us anything, they'll eventually learn to shoot back. Not content to simply rest on its old-timey charm and plethora of dead-eyed mannequins to lure visitors, the park kept growing. In the '90s, Western Village made a significant expansion, erecting a replica of Mt. Rushmore built to one-third scale -- which is still pretty damn big. Now, though, it simply sits there, decomposing like the bodies of the men it depicts. Jordy Meow/Wiki CommonsAssuming this isn't the plain-sight hiding spot of Japan's unstoppable Teddy Roosevelt mech. And the inside of this Mt. Rushmore is filled with giant, garishly dressed Teddy Bears, just like the real one ... we assume. Exploring With Josh/YouTube Exploring With Josh/YouTubeNo one is having sex-cations with these ... we think ... The park also featured an area called Mexicoland, which you could shoot lasers at from the American side of the fake Rio Grande. Plus, there was either a haunted house or a run-of-the-mill dental school. It's kind of hard to tell from the display. Michael John Grist/YouTubeThe Tooth Fairy played sort of a different role in the Old West. Since haunted houses aren't really a Western staple, the spooky insides are just a mish-mash of grotesquely violent cowboy-themed tableaux. But hey, it's probably the closest any of us will get to seeing whatever it is Clint Eastwood hallucinates while he's yelling at empty pieces of furniture. So if someone out there really is planning on building a kickass, albeit morally bankrupt, robot-filled theme park of the future, here's an idea: Pick a different theme. Come on, seriously? Westerns? So far, we haven't seen a lot of the outside world on the TV show, so to be fair, maybe there are far better parks out there. Maybe the people shelling out $40,000 a day for Westworld are only doing so because Star Wars World was all booked up, or Erotic Drunken Fireworks and Candy World was too goddamn expensive. Or maybe Westworld takes place in an alternate universe where Westerns are as popular as crystal meth. Where John Wayne is a king, not decomposing in drag. The alternate universe theory would also help explain why this future has the technological advancement to create androids indistinguishable from human beings, but apparently missed out on the science behind Lasik, because that one guy is wearing reading glasses in every scene. HBOIt's also possible that "accessories to look quizzically over" technology has already peaked. If you can't master the science of improving eyesight with lasers, but are cocky enough to try your hand at a theme park full of armed androids, maybe you deserve whatever violent robo-uprising comes your way.
When thinking about this show last night I wondered if there was any chance Ford and Arnold were the same person with split personalities? Could be the personalities dueled it out internally and the Ford side won out which explains why no one really remembers another person. Also when he looked at the old photo of him and his dad he wouldn't have been technically wrong. Probably a stretch but with all the talk of self discovery, could be that Arnold/Ford in internal conflict discovered his true self as the god complex character.
Not too tinfoily I don't think. Who's saying he's telling the truth to Bernardobot about that whole spiel with Arnold dying and wiping the records, etc. Could be all Beautiful Mind situation and the picture he showed Bernardobot the picture of him and his actual father. Would also explain why Logan said the team of lawyers couldn't come up with jack shit / picture / etc about "the partner that supposedly died" and how Ford has so much control over the park currently. I don't think it's true but you could make a case for it
Team Not Bernardobot, also Team Bernard isn't a spy. He would have come up on the list of the 47 original hosts. And he wouldn't have looked up that info if he was the spy - he would have already known.
I would love it if they narrowed down the original hosts to just a few and then revealed them one at a time like the eight cylons in BG. probably just me though.
the whole story Ford spewed about them being a gift from Arnold stunk like shit but also the only way they weren't in the system is because he said he maintains them himself, which he would have to do for Bernardobot as well
has the latitude and longitude from the westworld website been discussed? apparently it's somewhere on the site but i've never actually gone to the website a buddy says he looked it up and it lands in italy i'm assuming he read about it somewhere else though 'cause he's a fucking idiot
couple of episode 7 promo photos Spoiler looks like ford and the new exec will be on hand to watch clementine beat someone
Small note from rewatch. When Ford is with Bernard at his host family's house he says "They're quite harmless. Like all the hosts". He's either trying to keep Bernard in the dark, or unaware of the extent of what's happening himself. Nice jab at that is later when his kid robot self kills the dog. Which could aslo double as Ford testing Arnold's power when he questions the kid. I think the whole Ford/Arnold dynamic might be the underlying story of the whole show. At least season 1.
HBONow has Enemy at the Gates in the movie rotation. Started laughing when Major Konig showed up. Also think Arnold exists as an android/host in the park. And multiple timelines going on at the same time is a bad idea.
Very well-written "tinfoily" wall of text theory about Bernarnold... Spoiler Bernard is Arnold. Well technically a host made in the image of Arnold. So in short, Bernard = Arnold. The evidence is ASTOUNDING. Lets begin with a couple of simple items to get you warmed up: The flashback. There is a flashback of Dolores being built, we can see her head literally being placed on her shoulders. We know that Arnold built Dolores because Ford has mentioned it. See linked image below, the hands of the builder are clearly the same skin color as Bernard. The voice. There are a few scenes where Dolores is persuaded to do something because of a voice in her head. We now know that in the generation 1 hosts, there is very literally a broadcasting system where someone can give them voice commands from anywhere (we see Elsie find the relay for one of these broadcasting systems at the end of episode 6). We have heard the voice in Dolores head a few times now. For example, one of these scenes (end of episode 2) she is told to "wake up", she then goes outside and finds a gun, where she hears the voice again asking her "do you remember?" Very simply put, this is the voice of Jeffrey Wright (Bernard) and a computerized voice combined. It is quite obvious is you listen intently, here is a youtube video I found, the scene I mentioned is in the very beginning of this video. The photograph. In episode 3, Ford gives Bernard a photograph of what he claims to be "his business partner Arnold" We see this photograph from Bernard's perspective, meaning we see it as Bernard see's it. This photograph contains two people, both of which we know to NOT be Arnold. The first is obviously a younger Ford (approx 35 years ago) and the second person is Ford's father, which we learned in episode 6. We see Ford's father in Ford's cabin of ghosts. Bernard walks in and asks "are you Arnold?" to which the host responds "Who the hell is Arnold?". From this we know that Ford's father nor his brother are Arnold. Back to the photo... Ford said this is the last photo of Arnold, which is obviously not a lie. This means that Arnold is in the photo, and Bernard is incapable of seeing it. Let's remember episode one, and the only other photograph a host has seen in the show. Dolores could not see anything in this photo, meaning a host can be programmed to not see certain things. That is exactly whats happening with Bernard and Ford's photograph, Arnold is on the right side but Bernard cannot see him. If Bernard could see it, he would see a carbon copy of himself. See link below and observe the framing of the photo and the obvious person-sized gap to the right of Ford's father. ON TO THE BIG ONE: The secret meetings. There are 4 scenes in total of short conversations between Dolores and Bernard alone. Each of these scenes takes place in a location we have never seen before, a strange basement. This basement makes no sense, it does not even resemble the lab level of Westworld we have seen before. Also, in each one of these scenes you see Bernard come into an unlit room, turn on the light and awake Dolores from her deep and dreamless slumber. Why would Dolores just be in sleep mode and sitting in a room fully clothed (unlike any other host we have seen so far)? These conversations are not between Bernard and Dolores, but a flashback of Arnold and his creation about 35 years ago. We know Arnold was more partial to the hosts than to people and his search for artificial intelligence is likely what lead to his demise. Throughout the 4 of these meetings we see Arnold's curiosity and paranoia grow. He begins the conversations by immediately asking if she has told anyone else about their private conversations and making her promise to not do so. This is Arnold attempting to hide his actions from his partner, Ford. The first of these meetings is clearly introductory, Arnold tells Dolores she's different and makes her agree to not speak of the meetings. The second, he begins building a bond with Dolores and begins trying to provoke genuine thought from her by giving her a book. The third, Arnold is beginning to show fear that these secret meetings might be a mistake and worries he should erase her memory. I think Arnold fears Ford discovering his true motivations. Dolores continues to say something unexpected and human, after which you can see Arnold's curiosity for AI come flooding back. He decides to continue the meetings. In the 4th meeting, Arnold outright tells Dolores about the maze. He wants Dolores to play the game, and find the center. If she does so, he tells her that she can be free. That is the last we see of these one on one conversations. Likely whatever happened immediately after this conversation, is what caused Arnold's demise. SIDE NOTE ON THE BIG ONE: This is the clue that sold the whole Bernarnold theory for me. As far as we know, Bernard doesn't know ANYTHING about the maze or it's existence. In the last secret meeting, Arnold not only knows about the maze but is pushing a very self aware robot into the maze. I also want to note in this scene, Dolores is clothed. I love this detail. We have learned very little about Arnold but what we do know is this: he wanted to create artificial intelligence. The more human these robots were the more he believed he was close to that goal. We have seen Ford get visibly angry at an employee for clothing a robot, and we have heard him enforce repeatedly that these robots are not alive. This anger he feels toward the personification of the robots comes from what happened to Arnold. Arnold likely dies because of his affinity for these robots, and Ford regrets what happened to him. Therefor anytime he see's this personification he is reminded of what happened to his friend and partner, Arnold, and he refuses to allow it to happen again. THE QUOTES: There are two repeated quotes that I believe support my Bernarnold theory. The first of which we first heard from Ford in episode 1: "Mistakes is the word you're too embarrased to use. You ought not to be. You're a product of a trillion of them. Evolution forged the entirety of sentient life on this planet using only one tool - the mistake." The second time we hear the line is in episode 3, during the 3rd secret meeting between Arnold (Bernard) and Dolores. Arnold says this "Evolution forged the entirety of sentient life on this planet using only one tool - the mistake." The first time I caught this, I wrote it off as Bernard just repeating a quote he had heard, like we have all done before. Once I discovered that this was actually Arnold not Bernard, it hit me. This is a saying Arnold used to say, and Ford initially heard it from him during their years of friendship and partnership. Now, 30 years later, Ford is repeating that same quote back to Arnold (really a host of Arnold but ironic nonetheless). They even focus on Ford for a brief moment of reflection before cutting away. OH MY GOD, WHAT INCREDIBLE WRITING. The second quote: The first time we hear this quote is Bernard speaking with his wife on future skype in episode 3. She asks him about their son, "Do you ever wish you could forget?". He responds "This pain, it's all I have left of him." The next time we hear a similar quote is in episode 4, in the 4th secret meeting between Arnold and Dolores. Dolores begins recalling what happened to her parents and how she reacted. She says "Everyone I cared about is gone and it hurts, so bad." Arnold says "I can make that feeling go away if you'd like." Dolores then says "Why would I want that? The pain, their loss, it's all I have left of them." I think that Arnold has just heard this quote from Dolores for the first time, and like many of us do, he will repeat it later in life. Because Bernard has the consciousness and memories of Arnold, he repeats this quote to his wife nearly 30 years later. OTHER SMALLER ITEMS: Honestly this one caught my eye as soon as it happened and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since. When Peter Abernathy is placed in cold storage on the lower level, Bernard at the last moment leans in and says something indistinguishable to him. Initially you think its just Bernard telling Abernathy to walk forward and shut off, but he only says it to one of the two hosts going into cold storage. I don't have a great explanation for this, but at the minimum it shows that Bernard is hiding something and he might be more than he appears. This ones small and arguable, but I think it might be valid. I think the show has shown us tiny little things that lead us to believe that Bernard is a host. Episode 3, we see Teddy get his new backstory. The narrative of Wyatt. In the same episode, Bernard is given a backstory (at least in the eyes of the viewer) he speaks with his wife about his dead child on future skype. I know this isn't solid but when I watched it for the first time, seeing the introduction of Bernard's backstory immediately reminded me of how Teddy was given his backstory. Watch this for yourself, I can't be the only one. The scene in Ford's ghost cabin in episode 6. Bernard walks into the cabin and is quickly grabbed by the host of Ford's father. Bernard's voice commands do not work on the host and the moment things turn south, Ford appears out of thin air. I've read a few comments that people believe Ford froze all the hosts in this cabin, traveled from wherever he may have been, and unfroze them as soon as he was present in the cabin. We are seeing this scene from Bernard's perspective. If Bernard was frozen in time, as Ford has the ability to do to hosts, then Ford would have looked to appear out of thin air when Bernard was then unfrozen. Interesting. Ford may have a few specific voice commands for Bernard. One specifically is about Bernard's dead child. Anytime that Ford brings this up, Bernard's immediate reaction is to say nothing, turn and leave the premises. It has happened two times, not a huge sample size but I think still valid. THERE'S A FEW THINGS YOU'RE WONDERING If this is true, then this means that Ford most likely built Bernard in Arnold's image. Arnold and he were close friends and partners and I genuinely believe that Ford regrets how Arnold died, although obviously this is yet to be determined in the show. In the same way that Ford keeps the host of his childhood family present and operational, he keeps Bernard present and operational. We have heard Ford say that he is not the sentimental type, but we all know after seeing the cabin, he is exactly the sentimental type. The future Skype between Bernard and his wife must be fake. It could either be a program (clearly possible in this future world) or it could simply be another host built to be Arnold's wife. PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS. Thanks for reading. EDIT: I also wanted to note Arnold's attire and forgot to do so. I noticed while rewatching the secret meetings, Arnold always wears a black jacket and NO TIE. Bernard always wears a loosely worn tie (ignoring scenes of him in private with Theresa). I haven't vetted this completely but I believe its accurate.
Almost binged this show to the point where I'm totally caught up. After reading this thread though, I think we may need a thread for discussion of what is actually going on in the show and a seperate thread for the tinfoil hat theories, like we have on the GOT board. I may be alone, or may be being difficult about this, but I personally don't like having to scroll through pages of long ass theory posts that are 90% gonna be a complete waste of space/time Maybe spoiler them or create a new thread? Just an idea, if people think that's dumb so be it
Also, why did the asian guy in the lab decide to just show Maeve everything? Couldn't he have just shut her down using his little control pad thingy? Maybe I missed something
Man I really like that Bernardold theory. That's high quality tin foil there not that bullshit offbrand.
They kind of build his character up to be curious about the hosts with his fixing of the bird. I think he's just a giant pussy and Maeve is using her influencing and charming skills to "control" him.
He has a desire to transcend his status, where he's stuck doing the same thing over and over again. He's a butcher, and he despises it. Clearly Asian dude understands where Maeve is coming from and is awe of her ability to overcome her programming.
Re: Shutting her down with his control pad - he tried putting her in sleep mode with that and she found a "secret" to overriding it (count down from 3-2-1 and wake up). So safe to say that Ford is probably the only one that can actually control her at this point