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  1. TLAU

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    That's what I'm hoping for that he does something inside the park because the financial bail out would be a stretch given his current state at his company
     
  2. DUCKMOUTH

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    Maybe, can't remember.
     
  3. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    William could simply convince Delos to save the park (financially). Any number of ways he could "save" it.
     
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    yes, even though he's only middle management he's still well-connected.
     
  5. TLAU

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    Well connected enough to say to Logan in the army tent "hey man can you help me out and talk to YOUR connections and try to help me get Dolores out"?

    Not trying to be an asshole or "theory police" just saying anything involving him having influence in the real world outside of being Logans future brother in law is silly dilly.

    Hell if it's Delos that bails the park out and that's named after Dolores, as someone suggested, then he isn't even working at the same company that currently owns the park / he is the head of in the current time.
     
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    And he will have quite the testimonial when he gets back.
     
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    Try harder?
     
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    you're taking a very narrow view of something we know very little about at this point.
     
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    What was it Maeve/combover said about the hosts's implant being a security measure for them leaving the park? Like they have an explosive in one of the vertebrae? How about William does all this work, gets Dolores to the parks exit, thinks he's home free, and then she fucking explodes at the exit door. Now that would be awesome
     
  10. GuyOnA_Buffalo

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    Or just as with anything... the implant was reactionary prevention? A preventative measure installed post Dolores escape?
     
  11. TLAU

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    This hurts. I'm just trying to have a discussion amongst adults who may have different opinions than I do.

    I'm just taking the half dozen scenes they've given us that all basically say he is a nobody in Logans company at face value. Not really a narrow view can you tell me any scene or dialogue that would imply he has connections in the real world? There are a lot that point to the contrary, i.e.- he doesn't even know the trip is work related...
     
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  12. LeonardWashington

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    also how is Logan such a heavy sleeper
     
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    If Trump didn't teach you anything about nepotism...

    He is marrying Logan's sister. Assuming Logan runs the company or is right there, William can reasonably slot in. In addition, less likely but perhaps he cuts some kind of a deal with Logan if Logan doesn't die.
     
  14. zeberdee

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    I assumed he was more passed out than sleeping.
     
  15. DUCKMOUTH

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    But the assumption is he will be. If William = MIB then at some point he gets great wealth and power.

    Really not inconceivable to think his marriage will be the catalyst to him getting that wealth and power down the line.
     
  16. LeonardWashington

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    Y'all help me with this if you can

    The Dolores/Bernard "secret" interview scenes got a lot more complicated (unless I missed something obvious). I assumed the whole time that what we were seeing were past scenes where Arnold was interviewing Dolores. But we now know that in at least some of those scenes it may have been Bernard. Or maybe we were really seeing Bernard the whole time (unlikely, imo)? That's not real important....but what I am really wondering about is why Bernard would be interviewing her in secret? Makes me think it is some scheme by Ford b/c he is using Bernard to interact with her off the record and she plays a larger plan in his future plans rather than Arnold's...

    I thought at first that maybe it was Ford using Bernard as a spy to maybe figure out what Arnold's plans for Dolores were (it is unclear imo whether Dolores would be able to tell if Bernard was a host...Maeve can but only b/c her "sensory" levels have been increased to god mode). But I don't know what the reason could be to have Bernard sent down there to her and to flat out tell her that she killed Arnold (and thus reveal that he is not Arnold?). Maybe I missed something in that scene...

    But after seeing that revelation to Dolores last night I don't know what to think about those secret interviews, their purpose, why Bernard would reveal that info, etc.
     
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  17. Larry Sura

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    Logan mocking him in Pariah, his travels with Delores, and him saying the park revealed his true self lends credence to the fact his life is about to change.
     
  18. Larry Sura

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    I think it was Arnold. He invited her to try and solve the maze. I think she succeeded and gained sentience. She flips out and kills Arnold and the whole town. I don't know how to explain the Arnold voice she still seems to be hearing though.
     
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  19. LeonardWashington

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    That all may be true, but that scene implied to me that Bernard at least continued the Arnold interviews. Wonder why he would do that, and make it obvious to her that he was not Arnold. Maybe he was trying to trigger her on purpose for some reason? Ford clearly orchestrated that and maybe he is trying to use Dolores for whatever this grand scheme he is concocting is

    I always kinda assumed Dolores was working for Arnold - that he was leading her from beyond the grave somehow- but now I think she might be team Ford
     
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    I brought that issue up in the OG Bernardobot discussion. If those interviews were really Bernardobot the whole time then I'm confused as shit as to:

    A) him sending Dolores on a trip to the maze to become self-aware and free - in the secret talks

    B) but doesn't know that self awareness was at the top of the consciousness pyramid in Fords office talk

    I guess the explanation could be he has become self aware that he's a robot a number of times, including when helping Dolores find the maze in secret talks - and Ford finds out and wipes him back to square one mentally whenever it happens. All I got
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks he already found his true self? He had a revelation on the train that he didn't want to marry his fiancé or live the life he has waiting back home and wants to run away with Dolores and make hybrid robot babies... it kinda culminated with him asking his future brother in law to help him rescue a robot so he could take her with him instead of marrying his sister.
     
  22. Larry Sura

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    They could find her body and William can't except that she's actually gone. He keeps coming back to wake her up. But that doesn't fit with MiB's interaction with Maeve. That seemed to be the first time MiB saw the hosts could be something more.
     
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    I thought that was more of Arnold doing his own thing away from Ford. Trying to get Dolores to wake up, for lack of a better term, in secret in his quest for sentience/consciousness/whatever he was after. Basically the opposite of what you've said.
     
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    I think the interviews with Dolores, post-Arnold death, are all in Dolores' head. I think either they're either not occurring in reality, or Dolores goes down there by herself.
     
  25. Nelson

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    I'm really, really confused about why Ford put a bullet in Bernard's head

    He seemed so in-control of the situation...yet there has to be something different about Bernard "this time" that caused Ford to legitimately nervous and make that kind of drastic maneuver
     
  26. Larry Sura

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    He said he hoped Bernard would choose to get his memory wiped and join Ford again, just like after he killed Theresa. We have no idea how many times Bernard has chosen to have his memory wiped. This time he ordered Clementine to shoot him. My guess is that's the first time Bernard has chosen sentience over Ford. Ford couldn't take anymore risks. IMO.
     
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  27. Nelson

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    gotcha thanks

    all I'm thinking is that Ford is the master and can surely just wipe Ford's memory for him, no?
     
  28. Larry Sura

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    He can. Maybe this time he would rather be safe than sorry. Maybe he builds another Bernard with a new memory.

    What gets me is the new narrative. If it takes place at the old church it's like he's inviting hosts to solve the maze, which he is against. And why didn't Ford ask how Bernard came to know he's a host? No mention of Maeve is weird.
     
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  29. Nelson

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    Ford's motives are particularly clouded, imo. I don't think that this show would get away with "oh he's just a God-type" personality. It's too clean and brutish. There has to be something in his past (i.e. his cornerstone) that makes him so averse to free will or the human condition. It's clear in that last scene that he really hates humans and believes he can create a better existence free from consciousness. The question is why he feels this way and I don't think it can be as simple as "oh he's a crackpot philosopher/scientist that arrived at this conclusion."

    I don't see how they do all the things in episode 10 that the preview shows without showing his motivations

    EDIT: I guess they did get into this slightly with his father, who was an alcoholic. I'm guessing it gets fleshed out more
     
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  30. UKupNorth

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    Ok. Just trying to wrap my head around it. If she is in the past (earliest timeline) when she is in the blue dress, and the MIB drags her to the barn while in that blue dress, and she is in pants in the present state when MIB confronts her in church, would that then mean that William could not be MIB? If the MIB interacts with her in both the blue dress and the pants, how could he be in two timelines? I have no idea what is going on in regards to the clothes.
     
  31. Larry Sura

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    His motives are definitely fucky.
     
  32. Nug

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    A theory that was discussed with some co-workers at lunch:

    Logan is Hector, or Hector is made in Logan's image. They definitely look similar, and Hector has a huge scar on his cheek---just like Logan received when Dolores cut him in this episode.
     
  33. Line 4 Guy

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    Granted i havnt paid a whole lot of attention to her attire like TLAU said she changes when they meet up with Lawrence in Pariah. Maybe she starts every "new" day in that dress and as she continues her journey she always changes when she makes it as far as Pariah. The blues dress she has on when she speaks to Bernard/Arnold i think is cause all those convos happen prior to aarnolds death. And they are flashbacks or memories. Oh no ive gone cross-eyed.
     
  34. Line 4 Guy

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    This is very interesting. Never thought about that.
     
  35. gus_chiggins

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    Did she cut Logan under his right eye? I believe that's where Hector's scar is
     
  36. Nug

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    Ha, first thing under Google Images when searching "Hector Westworld"

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  37. NYGator

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    he is nobody at that point in time. He is about to marry Logan's sister which makes him somebody. Plus whatever is about to take place int he park may also elevate his status. Yes, none of this has happened yet, but you are making so much out of one comment that absolutely has many paths to that outcome given what we already know about him.
     
  38. Nug

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    One more thing. It was the picture that caused Abernathy, Dolores' dad, to glitch up and get taken out of commission. We now know that was an old picture of William's fiance/Logan's sister.

    How did that cause Abernathy to glitch? That should have little to no impact on his personal memory, right? Unless there's something we see in episode 10.

    Also, it may just be his interaction with tangible things from outside the park.
     
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  39. Line 4 Guy

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    No, just watched that scene. She slices him on his left cheek horizontally. Hectors is vertical right under his right eye.
     
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    Hector is likely made in Logan's image. I don't think he is him though. Similar to how Bernard is made in Arnold's image. I have to wonder what happens when MiB meets Hector.
     
  41. MajorRaider

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    I'm starting to think that Brad Pitt and Ed Norton are the same person.
     
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  42. NYGator

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    Interesting point from Reddit...

    Angela (Elon Musk's ex-wife) is already fully sentient, and this seems to be independent of any other storyline. She remembers the original massacre at Escalante (the town with the white church), she knows that the backstory Ford gave Teddy about Wyatt is false, she knows that she and Teddy are Hosts and that Teddy will be reborn after she kills him, she knows that the MiB is human, and she comes up with a clever way to kill the MiB despite her programming (the noose tied to the horse). Since most of this season has been devoted to watching Maeve learn the truth, and Dolores try to do the same, it seems odd that Angela - a minor character to date - has already done so. Either this is the premise for a major plot twist in E10, or a seed for Season 2.

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    Mib broke him out of jail.

    Or are you talking about a different time/setting?
     
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  44. Babou

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    Speaking of the photo, who ended up with it? Present time.
     
  45. gus_chiggins

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    Someone left it or planted it at Abernathy ranch
     
  46. Babou

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    I meant after the dad spazzed out and they asked Dolores what it looked like.
     
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    "Have you built an adversary worthy of me yet?"

    Perhaps Hector was made in Logan's image to counter the MiB as a potential adversary. MiB had never met him before though until the prison scene and he was disinterested in him as being cliched.
     
  48. Professor Moriarty

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    Already met in prison.
     
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    Theory, but I am spoiling it, because if true (and likely is) it is a big reveal for a lot of the debate about Logan. This again is from reddit.

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    If you recall the General gets shot through the back of the eye. There is a lot more to this theory here...

     
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    That's right.