Official Ukraine Thread: Putin On The Fritz

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  1. Illinihockey

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    they’re becoming a Chinese vassal state
     
  2. CUAngler

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    Need to modernize the star spangled banner lyrics to reflect that the Patriot missile defense system is in fact still standing
     
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  3. timo

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    Right. Exactly.

    And I should add, that the US has mostly themselves to blame for this. The USA has spent the better part of 7 decades treating the world as its colony: near slave labor, stolen minerals, and a garbage dump. Take South Africa, for instance: is there any wonder their citizens distrust or outright hate the US government when the official policy of our country for 50 years was to support Apartheid?
     
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  4. FrankReynolds

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    Small sample size, but every white South African I know is at best a fervent religious neo nationalist, and at worst an out and out bigot with 0 respect for anyone else
     
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  5. timo

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    As you probably know, my partner lived there for a while doing her doctoral research. Not ever white SA is a piece of shit, but a lot are exactly as you describe. There are also plenty of trash black South Africans too (pretty poor treatment of migrant workers from west Africa, for instance). Beautiful country though and I think she liked the people in the region she lived in while she was there.
     
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  6. Artoo

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    India is currently the #1 importer of Russian oil/natural gas

    Coincidentally, India is now a top exporter of oil/natural gas.

    Sanctions are crushing Russia. A few more and they'll be on their knees.
     
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  7. Drown ‘Em

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    O say can you see
    by the dawn's early light
    how so badly they failed
    during last night’s mass miss’ling?
    Patriot defenses
    stopped the perilous flight
    of the Russian kinzhals
    we were told would upend things.
    On the ground that big flare
    was debris from the air
    and despite some burns,
    the systems still stay there.
    O say did Vlad’s far-fangled
    plan yet fail again
    o’er the wants of Artoo
    in the home of Ukraine?
     
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  8. EagleDuck

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    EU is being urged to sanction India for buying cheap Russian oil then refining and reselling it to Europe to circumvent the sanctions. We'll have to see if they actually do.
     
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  9. Constant

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    Small sample size, but my DIL is none of those things.
     
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  10. HuskerInMiami

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    My brother works on boats and had invited a coworker over to my house several years ago. We were hungry and the South African hadn't had it before, so we went to KFC drive-thru. I couldn't understand what he was saying so I pulled forward and rolled down his window.

    "KFC, how may we help you?"
    South African - "I'allll hev a HAMburga"

    I know one person isn't a reflection of all, but the only South Africans I'm aware of are Elon Musk and Hamburger boy. So I don't think very highly of them.
     
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    mild blood but interesting video

     
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  12. Tigers

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    I was thinking the same thing- ukraine needs to pull a mark twain and post something about rumors of its death being greatly exaggerated
     
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  14. WhiskeyDelta

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    Conventionally yeah looks like they're pretty much a non factor against anyone with a pulse at the moment. But they still have a lot of equipment and if this drags long enough, eventually the idiots are going to get killed and the surviving effective commanders might actually manage to accomplish something with that equipment.

    And really anyone with a nuke is basically uninvadable because you can wipe out a city out of spite. There's a reason regional powers on the borders of the major spheres of influence (Israel, Iran, India, Pakistan, NK) all desperately want at least some of them
     
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  15. pperc

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    Israel wants some of what?
     
  16. WhiskeyDelta

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    All of the countries i listed have them except Iran. Israel officially doesn't but everyone assumes they do.
     
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  17. Bruce Wayne

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    Nukes
     
  18. enjj

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  19. Karl Hungus

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    good points, and i didn't mean my post as a means of saying they're invadable or anything, more pointing out that i'd have to think military and political officials around NATO, etc. would have to think that they could repel any aggression by russia and not cave to any bombastic demands they make in the future given how poorly their military has been shown to be and their tech and weapons have been outclassed by our western tech and weapons. like i said the only card left that i'm aware of would be the nukes but i (perhaps naively) think those would only be used as a last resort by russia.

    but the other poster (forgot who as i write this) made a good point about 1) the nukes still obviously being a huge factor and 2) the influence campaigns and other means outside of conventional military might that still make them a major threat around the world.
     
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  20. pperc

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    yeah they definitely do. i thought you were saying those countries didn't for some reason and i was super confused
     
  21. pperc

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    they have them
     
  22. timo

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    siap, good thread on this topic.
     
  23. Doc Louis

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    because they're selling oil to india who in turn refines it and sells the gas to europe. so yeah some more sanctions might be helpful.
     
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  24. Doc Louis

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    apparently they also have great anti-air defenses.
     
  25. dathalfnukkahd

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    That's a big package.

     
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  26. theregionsitter

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    3-5000 soldiers

    well done Sweden
     
  27. Drown ‘Em

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  28. NineteenNine

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    I might actually sing that.

    lol, no I wouldn’t.
     
  29. HuskerInMiami

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  30. Tigers

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    Yea I lol'ed at the news coming out that some of the guys that designed the khinzal were just charged with treason.

    I'm reading it totally as the patriots did really well against the khinzal- much to the surprise of russia who is now mad about it and feels like these dudes lied about the khinzal
     
  31. Doc Louis

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    It's like they never thought their super missiles would ever have to go up against modern anti-air defenses. Wild.
     
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  32. CUAngler

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    Absolutely comical that none of their shit works

     
  33. Drown ‘Em

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    It’s no wonder why they get along so well with Trump. Constant corruption and failure.
     
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  35. WhiskeyDelta

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    “Simulated flameout practice” because you’re one engine problem away from being a $20million lawn dart
     
  36. timo

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    How many support personnel (that would require training and expertise specific to that aircraft) would each F-16 (or other equivalent 4th gen NATO fighter) need to make giving them such planes realistic, and how long would such training take?
     
  37. timo

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    F-16s only having one engine is a big reason I think there's probably better options available at a similar price point.
     
  38. WhiskeyDelta

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    There’s a joke in the Air Force is you need a college degree to break a plane, and a GED to fix one. I’m not sure how long it’d take to retrain a Ukrainian SU-27 crew chief to work on an F-16, but there’s a step by step manual (TO) for everything you have to do and check.
     
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  39. WhiskeyDelta

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    In terms of available aircraft / spares, I don’t think so. F18s are twice as expensive and there’s no where near as many of them.
     
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  40. timo

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    Well, what do the Ukrainians need these planes for? Fighter bombers over Russian held territory? Every Gen 4 or 4.5 plane is going to have trouble operating in that environment? Taking on Su-35s as they're about to launch missiles? That's going to be tough too as you need arrays of radar support and targeting systems and such (I'm no expert on this, but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as sending your planes at their planes and pressing a button when you get a radar lock).

    Or do they need planes that can shoot down drones and cruise missiles? Because if they just need planes that can shoot down cruise missiles, give them a squadron of these:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_T-50_Golden_Eagle
     
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  42. Doc Louis

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    And that doesn't make sense. They're only 2 F's more.
     
  43. fsugrad99

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    It's like learning first base really, how hard could it be?
     
  44. Tarpon Nole

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    Probably a really dumb question - wouldn’t it be better to just offer f-16s to other non nato countries to give their mig/su whatever they have that ukr knows how to operate?
     
  45. Voodoo

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    The single engine is a big reason they’re so cost effective
     
  46. EagleDuck

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    a lot of countries have already been doing that except they’re going to get (buy) F-35’s.
     
  47. Tarpon Nole

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    nato counties have been doing that

    I’m saying why not reach out to other non nato countries
     
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  48. AptosDuck

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    We tend not to sell our good tech to countries that aren't our besties
     
  49. Tarpon Nole

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    right, but is there really any harm in giving peru some f-16s? It’s not exactly new tech that China and Russia haven’t been studying in person for decades

    or Indonesia who already has f-16s and su s