I assume there will be others? That isn’t much of a conference. Take Wyoming and if the Dakota States and Montana schools bumped up that could be a really fun league.
It seems like the play would be those schools plus a bunch of non football schools like Gonzaga, St. Marys, etc
not a State school, obviously. other schools I've heard the PAC-12 are looking at: San Jose State, Long Beach State, Portland State, Weber State, Sacramento State, Adams State, Idaho State, Evergreen State.
I had no idea evergreen had any athletics. Think WSU and OSU have some fuck you bucks from the conference fallout laying around to not get that desperate, though.
A little surprised to see this now as I assumed Wazzou and Oregon St would wait around for more dominoes, but could also one they got stability with an easy exit if they want it in the future
that wasn't a serious post, I was just remarking on how all 6 potential PAC schools have State in their name and just rattled off all the schools in the PAC range I could think of that also have State in their name.
They're going to add a couple other MWC schools I'd think (likely on a reduced deal). Basically keeping the Pac-12 name so they can add the MWC schools they want while shedding the dead weight. SJSU, Hawaii, Nevada, etc. are fixing to get screwed.
SJSU and Hawaii seem like the only dead weight schools in the MWC. Why is Nevada lumped together with them and not with Utah State, Wyoming, etc?
They haven't done a ton since Ault retired and they probably have some of the worst fan support in the league. It's a tough gig --- there's a reason Jay Norvell left to go to another league member.
I wonder how Hawaii survives if they get left behind. No stadium, brutal travel, no consistent success since the June Jones era. Feel like they're less set up for independent life than any program in the country.
They’re poor. They fit with SJSU, New Mexico, and Hawaii more than Wyoming and USU. If you’re going to take a Nevada school, UNLV makes way more sense. Air Force is in kind of a weird spot.
So who else is joining the PAC? 6 obviously doesn't work. Is this like B12 getting Colorado to try to pressure the others?
If I’m the PAC and trying to get back to 12 in order to have a football title game, I’d add these six teams: Air Force New Mexico St UNLV Utah St UTEP Wyoming Then I’d create East and West divisions of: West- Boise St, Fresno St, Oregon St, UNLV, San Diego St, Wazzou East- Air Force, Colorado St, New Mexico St, Utah St, UTEP, Wyoming And I’d have rivalry week in the last week of the season be these matchups: Oregon St-Wazzou UTEP-New Mexico St Fresno St-San Diego St Boise St-Wyoming Colorado St-Air Force UNLV-Utah St That sounds like a decent conference with some natural rivals and makes sense somewhat geographically.
lol if you think they need to be pressured. This is probably for legal reasons to not kill the MWC in one blow.
Why NMSU and not NM? I would say Texas State would be a better Texas school to go after than UTEP and hey, maybe they could snag UTSA from the American?
UTEP used to be major football in the WAC for decades but lost out in the original wave of tv led realignment. NMSU is only 41 miles from UTEP so they are natural rivals. And look at a map of FBS schools, UTEP in El Paso seems like it fits the conference better than Texas State over near San Antonio. Oh and NMSU beat Auburn last year, so they get a plus for that.
yeah i say just go all in on the unknowns. ndsu, sdsu, montana, msu, gonzaga, st mary's, hawaii, unlv get the first 4 to move up, get the next 2 just for bball, get the last two because they really should have better athletic programs and maybe more money would accomplish that Spoiler and bring back cal and stanford when the acc folds
We always said it'd be cool if college football had relegation, not realizing it basically does. (Moving up, moving down)
Pretty sure the Dakota schools (in the central time zone) have already said they don’t want to be in a conference with mostly pacific time schools that will require lots of travel.
my guess is there's enough money to alleviate those concerns. do the remains of the pac12 have it? no clue. they could also do something like sacramento st and eastern washington instead of the dakotas while we see the dakotas go mwc.
Also, there’s a potential logistical problem to add those FCS schools. Those schools have to move up to FBS to join the conference. There’s a process for that takes a little time. The PAC has to get to at least 8 teams within 2 years of dropping under it or it’s no longer recognized by the NCAA. That clock start ticking the moment the PAC 12 teams officially left. Perhaps they could be added after in a second expansion, but I think it’d be tough for them to be added before the 2 year timeframe ends.
oh for sure. my assumption is they take the 4 who have applied along with 2 more current fbs teams to give themselves time to explore options at the fcs level while waiting to see if the acc dissolves.
They’d lose their football conference title game in the meantime, have to have 12 to host a championship game. And those are major money makers for conferences, or at least I think they still are. Losing it would certainly necessitate tv contracts that contemplate one to be amended.