It was a trap to lure in the dragons. Pretty obvious. When Bran sees the NK, the NK is standing on the exact rock where Jon et al were trapped. The NK needs a weapon to take down the Wall -- a dragon fits that bill.
their weapons seem to be completely made of ice. I think a bow probably loses most/all of it's flex to be drawn if it were to be made from ice
The whole "How do you kill thousands of dead things that can't be killed?" question needed a resolution. The writers didn't have to think too hard to find it.
If that were true why would the WWs allow the wights to continuously try to kill them once they were surrounded or even before?
Nah. You're just a little bitch about everything but that's ok. You can go the route of your bff Powe for all anyone cares.
Not buying the dragon trap theory. If that was the plan all along it most certainly wasn't "obvious" because they were literally trying to kill them before the ice started giving way...
well, the battle at hardhome happened in the book world. it just wasn't depicted. I think you meant this, must making it clear
Dragonglass is just a name, it has nothing to do with being made from dragons or dragon fire. It's just a volcanic glass that the maesters call obsidian, aka like the stuff we have in real life, but common people in call is dragonglass. It is rumored that valerian steel was made by using dragon fire but that hasn't and likely won't ever be confirmed. If you can kill the white walkers by using dragon fire then the final battle will be a lot easier for Dany and John. I think those guys will have to be taken down in hand to hand combat.
I thought about the trap theory on Thursday or Friday and thought it would explain a lot but yeah, there are some holes in that one too. Plus I think Benioff/Weiss would have mentioned it in the post-episode thingy they do and they didn't. I've watched both episode leaks this season and in the time between watching and the time it actually airs with their post-episode commentary I've thought of a lot of different ways to explain certain things then they just give such poor, thoughtless explanations and it's just like... oh.
you're right, my bad. ADWD was prob my least favorite book so getting through it was tough. there's been other instances of the eyes "opening". it's just the gems reflecting the bright snow and then jon's dark glove. IMO
I've seen this from him, and that's why I'm less concerned with Gendry running. It's the dues ex machina (new term learned today, thanks Name P. Redacted ) that really annoys me. I also haven't loved the way Arya has handled Sansa, second biggest gripe of the episode. It's less of a plot hole, so it's more a matter of my personal opinion. Arya is presented as this street smart, clever girl. That's why she spies on Littlefinger in the first place. Then to completely abstain from mentioning him when she confronted Sansa seemed silly. To me, a normal question would be "Why did you have Littlefinger find someone to grab this letter for you?". Why lose all suspicion of Littlefinger after he has the note found? The way she handles it seems kind of intense as well for someone whose life purpose is family preservation. Arya and Sansa aren't kids anymore, and after all they've been through I'd like to think they'd lost some of this animosity. I guess I'm just disappointed, because Arya may be my favorite character. I thought she was supposed to be clever and smart, but this whole arc has me questioning her intelligence.
I think he was saying they all needed to be well-armed with Dragonglass weapons, not just Jon. They have the material, they have a blacksmith, so you'd think every one of the GoT Avengers would only have dragon glass weapons. It would be logical all things considered. That's not a gripe for me tbh, as that can easily be explained away as they were in a big hurry and might not have had the time.
My suspicion is that Arya, Sansa, and LF are all playing their own mind games. I expect Arya and Sansa will team up next episode to kill LF. I believe that Jorah had some dragonglass daggers. I was confused why he was using little daggers instead of a sword until there was a closeup. And if dragonglass is anything like real life obsidian, making a sword out of it would be difficult/bad. Blacksmiths forge/beat metal. You don't beat and hammer glass.
she's trained as a killer but just might not be that bright. I think that's kind of the point. For some reason, a lot of viewers seem to have latched onto the idea that her time in Braavos made her omniscient at best and a genius at worse
Yeah, they all had dragon glass weapons. Mostly little daggers but I think Tormund's axe may have been made from big chunks of dragon glass as well. It was either that or just really rough metal. Kinda hard to tell.
I think you're right, about Arya and Sansa, which would make me wonder what the point of this whole story line was. As long as it's purpose goes far beyond adding tension for the sake of tension, I'll be at least ok with it.
rewatched the last sansa-arya scene definitely thinking that Arya is a step ahead of Littlefinger. She's stuntin hard but it's for show. She doesn't want to kill Sansa and is letting LF think that she does
I don't think the point is the tension for no reason as much as Arya/Sansa are two completely different people and always have been. Now that they're both grown up, the stakes in their relationship are much greater. It would be weird (and boring as hell) if Arya walked into Winterfell and they were suddenly best friends, even though they're sisters who thought the other was dead. I don't like the story line that much, but it makes sense that they're at odds. It also likely leads them to understanding each other on a greater level when it's resolved, which is basically the only way it makes sense for them to ever become close.
one more random tweetstorm thought: Viserion getting got was a great tool to get Dany and Jon closer. their scene on the boat was very well done
Biggest grievance with that bullshit Reddit C/P from the last page... Why the fuck would Jon need a dragon glass sword when he has Valyrian Steel Longclaw? Did that idiot miss the part where the fucking thing traded several blows with a White Walker before decapitating it? Is it still not obvious after 7 seasons that those are the best weapons in the realm?
Yea they realize that there are like a handful of Valyrian swords left in existence? Going to need that dragon glass.
I really don't mind the small plot loopholes, the questionable travel times or the DEM with the last minute rescues. If they want to add additional drama for the newer viewers, I'm fine with that. My only real gripes are these times when people could literally win the war or get an invaluable hostage and choose not to. As dumb as Jaime was charging at Dany, he was the only one who seemed to acknowledge this. "There she is, if I kill her we may win"... so he tried. Then, Dany then could've easily had the most valuable hostage in the war, instead she just let him go. Same for the night king. Pretty sure the girl RIDING the dragon and her 6 friends are significant... maybe throw the spear at their dragon and kill 7 birds with one stone? Or even Dany, before the NK threw the spear like Tom Brady she had no reason to think that they could threaten the dragons... why not try to just take out the important looking dudes up on the mountain top on zombie horseback? None of those make me like the show any less, they're just a bit questionable in terms of trying to root the show in some sense of realism.
That wasn't the issue with that guy, though. He was complaining that Jon didn't take some dragonglass with him -- despite the fact he has the already forged weapon capable of killing a WW.
the "after the show" when it showed a few shots of Dany from different seasons growing up with her dragons
she had like... 4 minutes to process the entire idea that there actually IS an army of the dead. And in that really short and overwhelming time span, she had a one-track mind of helping rescue everyone. When she wasn't roasting wights she was sitting there getting everyone on board and then masturbating furiously to Jon pulling off combos on dozens of wights. Did it even show her acknowledging the NK and his crew were a thing until right before she flew away? I don't remember her ever turning attention to him until right before fleeing, which her doing so without trying to kill him while he's about to toss another dragon killer is justified.
From the book but also relevant in the show: Dragonglass is useless against wights: Sam discovers that by stabbing a wight with a dragonsglass dagger, and the dagger shatters to pieces. He later tells Melisandre about the anomaly, that what kills Others is ineffective against wights. She explained "Necromancy animates these wights, yet they are still only dead flesh. Steel and fire will serve for them. The ones you call the Others are something more". Dragonglass apparently has no special effect on them, given that the TV series has confirmed that Valyrian steel can also kill White Walkers but to wights it is only a particularly sharp sword that can carve through them better than regular steel. Dragonglass is sharper than steel, but also more brittle. For this reason it does not make good swords because they might shatter, but smaller daggers are more sturdy and therefore more common. They are also very effective as arrowheads. tl;dr: Dragonglass is needed to fight the white walkers since valerion steel is impossible to find but it's stupid to fight wights with it. Use your regular swords and if possible fire for the wights, save the glass for the walkers.
Ep 6 was the first leaked episode I've ever watched on Wednesday. It did not alter my Sunday night schedule in any way from what its been the last 5 weeks.
If the episode does leak again, I'm watching it just to avoid spoilers. I'll still watch again on Sunday though
Unless Sansa goes running to LF letting him know that Arya threatened her he would have no way of knowing about their arguement.
What's goofy about Arya keeping her faces in a leather satchel? They spent a ton of time explaining that whole thing in Bravos didn't they?
Didn't read the article yet but just the idea of it going the way of Lost is funny because this morning I was thinking about if we're going to get a single episode in season 8 about the NK and his intentions/goals before we get a real showdown between him and whoever's still standing among the living. Similar to how we got a single episode in the last few on Lost that gave us a bit of an origin story for Jacob and the MIB. I know we know how the NK was created but there's still a lot of mystery surrounding what he wants and how or why he does the things he does. Leaving it a mystery may be the better option but the thought of a NK-focused episode is interesting.