The Beatles

Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by OdRevo, Nov 16, 2010.

?

What say you?

  1. GOAT

    38.6%
  2. Meh

    9.6%
  3. Never listened to their shit

    0.9%
  4. Fuckin hippies

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Cam Newton

    3.5%
  6. Good Band

    47.4%
  1. soulfly

    soulfly Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Seattle MarinersSeattle SeahawksBarcelonaSeattle SupersonicsSeattle SoundersSeattle Kraken

    I certainly disagree with a lot of this, and that's neither here nor there. But hold on. You think Elvis was a better writer and musician? :roll:
     
    repoocs and MrOutlaw like this.
  2. DUCKMOUTH

    DUCKMOUTH People don’t you know, don’t you know
    Donor
    Southern Mississippi Golden EaglesNew Orleans SaintsGrateful DeadPoker

    not a writer because he barely wrote anything. Where did I say he was a better song writer. Better performer to me and huge icon as well.
     
  3. soulfly

    soulfly Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Seattle MarinersSeattle SeahawksBarcelonaSeattle SupersonicsSeattle SoundersSeattle Kraken

    And then your proceeded to list off Elvis.
     
    DUCKMOUTH likes this.
  4. DUCKMOUTH

    DUCKMOUTH People don’t you know, don’t you know
    Donor
    Southern Mississippi Golden EaglesNew Orleans SaintsGrateful DeadPoker

    I guess when laid out that way, but was just generally speaking in taste of music with that last post.

    As I said I get it and have no problem with them being considered the greatest and really wouldn’t argue against anyone. I like a little bit of their stuff as well. Just my preferences are elsewhere.

    Hell I like ELO better than them, but wouldn’t say they were greater than The Beatles. Subjective and just a taste preference
     
  5. Emma

    Emma Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Wisconsin BadgersMilwaukee Brewers altMilwaukee BucksGreen Bay Packers

    On a related note, ELO is awfully close to the Beatles for me
     
  6. MrOutlaw

    MrOutlaw Director corp medical
    Pittsburgh SteelersPenn State Nittany LionsPittsburgh Penguins

    As I have become older, I’ve gained more and more appreciation for ELO. Totally underrated and ridiculous they only recently made the HOF. That said, they’re no beatles.
     
  7. snowfx2

    snowfx2 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Los Angeles KingsLos Angeles LakersUCLA BruinsLos Angeles GalaxyLos Angeles Rams

  8. MtOread

    MtOread chopped and scrooged
    Donor
    Kansas JayhawksKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsBig 8 Conference

  9. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    My thoughts are I'm glad I have Disney+, cause I'm gonna be watching that junk Thanksgiving weekend
     
    Doc Louis, electronic, Biship and 9 others like this.
  10. MtOread

    MtOread chopped and scrooged
    Donor
    Kansas JayhawksKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsBig 8 Conference

    Seems like an ideal post-Thanksgiving leftovers watch.
     
    Doc Louis, steamengine and Han Solo like this.
  11. bigpig

    bigpig cultofwhatever.com
    Donor
    Arkansas RazorbacksNew York JetsAEW

    I thought it was just a docu-film.

    Glad it's a series.
     
  12. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    It's 3 parts, 2 hours each, so kinda like a long ass movie
     
    bigpig likes this.
  13. fattmante

    fattmante Well-Known Member
    Donor

    Can only imagine the amount of money Disney paid out for that footage
     
    steamengine and Tiffin like this.
  14. Drown ‘Em

    Drown ‘Em Well-Known Member
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesNational League

    “Something in the way she moves attracts me like cauliflower” doesn’t have the same ring to it. Glad George figured it out.
     
    steamengine, gus_chiggins, TC and 2 others like this.
  15. timo

    timo molto bene
    Donor
    Penn State Nittany LionsPittsburgh SteelersPittsburgh PenguinsTottenham HotspurPittsburgh Pirates

    Something that will probably be of interest to basically no one but myself, that rosewood Telecaster that George Harrison plays in that roof concert has a pretty interesting history.
    https://reverb.com/news/the-story-behind-george-harrisons-rosewood-telecaster

    Harrison gave it to Delaney Bramlett (of Bonnie and Delaney) later that year. In 1970 Jerry Garcia sat in with Bonnie and a bunch of other cats while on the Canadian train tour and played it on stage in Calgary.
     
  16. bigpig

    bigpig cultofwhatever.com
    Donor
    Arkansas RazorbacksNew York JetsAEW

    Makes sense though. It fits the cadence of the song and George was hung up on getting the lyric right. John was just saying "stick anything in there and come back to it after the music is done."

    Beatles famously did music before lyrics which, I believe, is not common.
     
    Henry Blake likes this.
  17. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    Any big Beatles fan already knows this, but "Yesterday" started life as "Scrambled Eggs" before Paul found better lyrics.

    "Hey Jude" was "Hey Jules" as in Julian Lennon, John's son
     
    repoocs, ashy larry, MtOread and 3 others like this.
  18. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    New Paul McCartney story in the New Yorker is good.
     
    bigpig likes this.
  19. racer

    racer Yuma, where I work in software.
    Donor
    Iowa HawkeyesKansas City ChiefsLas Vegas Golden KnightsWatfordSneakersOlympicsTravel

    Just doing a dynamite drop in to talk about the time I got to go into the Cirque du Soleil Love control room. My aunt was visiting when I lived there and we went to Love. She posted a picture pre-show and her old coworker saw it and was like my husband is a producer, I’ll have him come get you after. Anyway we got see the sets, then go into the audio room. We got to play the single tracks on the mixing board, which are reportedly the only masters every created by George Martin besides the originals, from them. Also sat on the couch in there where Paul and Yoko reportedly met or reconciled for the first time or something along those lines.

    I say reportedly because this is what the engineer/producer told us and I don’t know if it’s 100% accurate or not. Still very cool.
     
    Doc Louis, gus_chiggins, TC and 2 others like this.
  20. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    Reading George Martin's autobiography --

    TIL the Sgt Pepper album was made using only a four track recorder :ohholkyfuck:

    That was the most available in 1967. The rest is pretty technical/difficult to explain, but further reading from Wiki:

    The album was recorded using four-track equipment, since eight-track tape recorders were not operational in commercial studios in London until late 1967.[107] As with previous Beatles albums, the Sgt. Pepper recordings made extensive use of reduction mixing, a technique in which one to four tracks from one recorder are mixed and dubbed down onto a master four-track machine, enabling the engineers to give the group a virtual multitrack studio.[108] EMI's Studer J37 four-track machines were well suited to reduction mixing, as the high quality of the recordings that they produced minimised the increased noise associated with the process.[109] When recording the orchestra for "A Day in the Life", Martin synchronised a four-track recorder playing the Beatles' backing track to another one taping the orchestral overdub. The engineer Ken Townsend devised a method for accomplishing this by using a 50 Hz control signal between the two machines.[110]

    Listening to each stage of their recording, once they've done the first couple of tracks, it's often hard to see what they're still looking for, it sounds so complete. Often the final complicated, well-layered version seems to have drowned the initial simple melody. But they know it's not right, even if they can't put it into words. Their dedication is impressive, gnawing away at the same song for stretches of ten hours each.[111]

    Hunter Davies, 1968

    The production on "Strawberry Fields Forever" was especially complex, involving the innovative splicing of two takes that were recorded in different tempos and pitches.[112][113] Emerick remembers that during the recording of Revolver, "we had got used to being asked to do the impossible, and we knew that the word 'no' didn't exist in the Beatles' vocabulary."[114] A key feature of Sgt. Pepper is Martin and Emerick's liberal use of signal processing to shape the sound of the recording, which included the application of dynamic range compression, reverb and signal limiting.[115] Relatively new modular effects units were used, such as running voices and instruments through a Leslie speaker.[116] Several innovative production techniques feature prominently on the recordings, including direct injection, pitch control and ambiophonics.[35] The bass part on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" was the first example of the Beatles recording via direct injection (DI), which Townsend devised as a method for plugging electric guitars directly into the recording console.[117] In Kenneth Womack's opinion, the use of DI on the album's title track "afforded McCartney's bass with richer textures and tonal clarity".[117]

    Some of the mixing employed automatic double tracking (ADT), a system that uses tape recorders to create a simultaneous doubling of a sound. ADT was invented by Townsend during the Revolver sessions in 1966 especially for the Beatles, who regularly expressed a desire for a technical alternative to having to record doubled lead vocals.[118] Another important effect was varispeeding, a technique that the Beatles used extensively on Revolver.[116] Martin cites "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" as having the most variations of tape speed on Sgt. Pepper. During the recording of Lennon's vocals, the tape speed was reduced from 50 cycles per second to 45, which produced a higher and thinner-sounding track when played back at the normal speed.[119] For the album's title track, the recording of Starr's drum kit was enhanced by the use of damping and close-miking. MacDonald credits the new recording technique with creating a "three-dimensional" sound that, along with other Beatles innovations, engineers in the US would soon adopt as standard practice.[120]

    Artistic experimentation, such as the placement of random gibberish in the run-out groove, became one of the album's defining features.[121] Sgt. Pepper was the first pop album to be mastered without the momentary gaps that are typically placed between tracks as a point of demarcation.[117] It made use of two crossfades that blended songs together, giving the impression of a continuous live performance.[122][nb 10] Although both stereo and monaural mixes of the album were prepared, the Beatles were minimally involved in what they regarded as the less important stereo mix sessions, leaving the task to Martin and Emerick.[124] Emerick recalls: "We spent three weeks on the mono mixes and maybe three days on the stereo."[125] Most listeners ultimately only heard the stereo version.[126] He estimates that the group spent 700 hours on the LP, more than 30 times that of the first Beatles album, Please Please Me, which cost £400 to produce.[127] The final cost of Sgt. Pepper was approximately £25,000 (equivalent to £457,000 in 2019).[128]
     
  21. chet fire

    chet fire Man in Members Only jacket

    For that reason, I almost consider Abbey Road to be divine intervention.

    That band was DONE. They'd just gone through the Get Back sessions. Apple was falling apart. They were getting on each other's nerves.

    But then, George Martin says, Hey boys, got any songs for me to record on my new EIGHT-TRACK board? They came back in, laid down some of their best stuff and ended it all (almost) on a high note.

    It's like the only "modern" Beatles record. Everything else either sounded like it was recorded at Sun Studios or had Martin bicep-deep into a trick bag. Abbey Road was lush, thick, permanent.
     
  22. bigpig

    bigpig cultofwhatever.com
    Donor
    Arkansas RazorbacksNew York JetsAEW

    They recorded that masterpiece, with that amazing B side medley, and then said "I dunno, should we do another?"

    It never happened but it's hard to imagine an album to follow up Abbey Road. I don't even consider Let it Be their last album. In my playlist it always comes before Abbey Road
     
    Doc Louis, TC, chet fire and 2 others like this.
  23. repoocs

    repoocs Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet
    Notre Dame Fighting IrishCincinnati RedsCincinnati BengalsXavier Musketeers

    Wasn't much of it recorded before Abbey Road? I may be off on my recollection. Either way, that last medley was a hell of a way to wrap it up, so treating Let it Be as second to last does seem to feel right.
     
  24. bigpig

    bigpig cultofwhatever.com
    Donor
    Arkansas RazorbacksNew York JetsAEW

    Yeah I don't think they did any work in the studio for Let it Be after Abbey Road. They just gave the masters to Phil Specter to fiddle with.
     
    repoocs likes this.
  25. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    The B side medley was basically them throwing out every piece of a song they had left. Not that they couldn’t have come up with more, but that was like the final emptying of the tank

    I’ve been really liking “mean mr mustard” lately. Amazing how their fragments of ideas still made good songs
     
    gus_chiggins and repoocs like this.
  26. snowfx2

    snowfx2 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Los Angeles KingsLos Angeles LakersUCLA BruinsLos Angeles GalaxyLos Angeles Rams

    I fucking love you all

     
    mmm, repoocs, bigpig and 5 others like this.
  27. MtOread

    MtOread chopped and scrooged
    Donor
    Kansas JayhawksKansas City RoyalsKansas City ChiefsBig 8 Conference

  28. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    That's awesome. Paul calling out the chords
     
  29. Drown ‘Em

    Drown ‘Em Well-Known Member
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesNational League

    I can’t tell if there is a bit of a sarcastic tone in George’s “is that one called ‘I’ve Got A Feeling’?” comment, but it almost sounds like there’s a little something behind it. Knowing his opinion of Paul at the time certainly makes it plausible. Maybe knowing his opinion of Paul at the time is causing me to hear things.
     
  30. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    They definitely look a little nonplussed towards each other. That was the story when the original "Get Back" film was released -- this is the "breakup movie", they hate each other, etc. Supposedly this new/expanded edition is going to improve on that and show that it wasn't quite as frosty as it first seemed
     
    Doc Louis likes this.
  31. chet fire

    chet fire Man in Members Only jacket

    "Is that one called 'I've Got a Feeling?'" :laugh:
     
    dcon79 likes this.
  32. bigpig

    bigpig cultofwhatever.com
    Donor
    Arkansas RazorbacksNew York JetsAEW

    George was always a passive aggressive one.

    Can't wait to watch this
     
  33. snowfx2

    snowfx2 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Los Angeles KingsLos Angeles LakersUCLA BruinsLos Angeles GalaxyLos Angeles Rams

    This shit is gonna make me crumble

     
    TC likes this.
  34. snowfx2

    snowfx2 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Los Angeles KingsLos Angeles LakersUCLA BruinsLos Angeles GalaxyLos Angeles Rams

    Paul just pulls banger after banger out of thin air watching this doc

     
  35. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    Saw part 1. Watching them come up with let it be and get back among others on camera was priceless. Feel bad for George
     
    ashy larry, racer and snowfx2 like this.
  36. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    The footage quality makes it look like it’s present day, but yeah when they mentioned it was elvis’s 30 something bday I was mind fucked
     
    shawnoc and snowfx2 like this.
  37. bigpig

    bigpig cultofwhatever.com
    Donor
    Arkansas RazorbacksNew York JetsAEW

    Paul is Mozart of his generation. He can come up with a ditty or a symphony on a lark or even in a dream. He can get all the praise he always gets and it will never be enough.
     
  38. snowfx2

    snowfx2 Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Los Angeles KingsLos Angeles LakersUCLA BruinsLos Angeles GalaxyLos Angeles Rams

     
  39. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    Watching part 2 now. Damn this audio convo of John and Paul discussing George behind his back is incredible fly on the wall stuff. Paul admits George had a right to complain and leave. John checks Paul by telling him yeah you are basically impossible to disagree with
     
    gus_chiggins and snowfx2 like this.
  40. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    They appear to chew gum quite a bit
     
    #190 TC, Nov 26, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2021
  41. racer

    racer Yuma, where I work in software.
    Donor
    Iowa HawkeyesKansas City ChiefsLas Vegas Golden KnightsWatfordSneakersOlympicsTravel

    Episode one has me asking the question, was George ever necessary? Or did he just get to come along for the ride because he was there at the start?
     
  42. bigpig

    bigpig cultofwhatever.com
    Donor
    Arkansas RazorbacksNew York JetsAEW

    Necessary? Not really. Especially early on he was a subpar writer and often struggled with coming up with solos for many songs.

    A lightswitch flipped around Revolver and he became an awesome writer and guitarist that simply had little space to work with on albums.

    Still, he proved he was never as good a writer as Paul or John when his backlogue ran out in 70
     
    racer likes this.
  43. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Do I have to get Disney + to watch this or is there another way?
     
  44. TC

    TC Let down and hanging around
    Donor
    South Carolina GamecocksCarolina PanthersCarolina Hurricanes

    You could roll over to my house. We have leftover pecan pie and high grav beer
     
  45. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    On my way!
     
  46. ANTWONE

    ANTWONE Hello
    Donor TMB OG
    Game of ThronesGrateful Dead

    Damn George and Paul hated each other
     
    gus_chiggins likes this.
  47. Emma

    Emma Well-Known Member
    Donor
    Wisconsin BadgersMilwaukee Brewers altMilwaukee BucksGreen Bay Packers

  48. BamaNug

    BamaNug Half is a lie, but the good part's true
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideSeattle MarinersAtlanta BravesNew Orleans Saints

    gus_chiggins and Emma like this.
  49. gus_chiggins

    gus_chiggins This carpet is overdue for a good moppin
    Donor
    Alabama Crimson TideAtlanta BravesTiger WoodsGrateful Dead

    Think I’m team Paul on this one
     
    paulski likes this.
  50. ANTWONE

    ANTWONE Hello
    Donor TMB OG
    Game of ThronesGrateful Dead

    Lennon was such a lil cunt at this point too