What is your opinion on transgendered persons competing in the Olympics?

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Should transgendered athletes be allowed to compete in the Olympics and in what fashion?

  1. No, Shouldn’t be allowed at all

    10.1%
  2. Yes and can compete as a M/F depending on how they view themselves

    4.2%
  3. Yes but must compete according the genitalia they were born with

    54.5%
  4. Yes but create an entire new Olympics for the transgendered

    5.8%
  5. lechnerd is fat

    25.4%
  1. electronic

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    I’ve seen no scientific evidence that transwomen have an unfair athletic advantage. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist; merely that until I see such evidence, I think transwomen should be allowed to compete.
     
  2. Soup

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    That’s not the question I asked.
     
  3. electronic

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    I’m talking about transwomen. If you can show me that transwomen are equal to men, I’d listen.
     
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  4. Daniel Ocean

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    It’s been implicit in the argument against this occurring.
     
  5. Soup

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    I don't think so.
     
  6. Daniel Ocean

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    Are the post op hormone treatments just placebos and do nothing?
     
  7. Soup

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    So you think hormone treatments reverse the x amount of years of living as a man?
     
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  8. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Yes.
     
  9. Daniel Ocean

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    Not to sound like a meme but that would be a matter of opinion. I think maybe it’s the sense I’ve gotten but I have been reading opinions on this in two threads. Some have implied that this would be taken advantage of, for example the op and z’s post on the first page both implied that might be fraud. Using the phase “men that think they are women” does that.
     
  10. Soup

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    No I agree it's an opinion, and I respect yours, I just responded with mine.
     
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  11. Daniel Ocean

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    If it doesn’t why do it? If it’s just in essence a placebo it seems like it would be a huge waste of time and money.

    Also excuse my ignorance but what impact does having the testicles removed have on a post op male to female transsexual.
     
  12. Soup

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    No I don't feel it's placebo. I'm just not sure it reverses 20 years or however many years before treatment started that you were the male sex.
     
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  13. MoJo

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    Transgender weightlifter smashes women's world records, sparking backlash from Olympians

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    Transgender weightlifter smashes women's world records, sparking backlash from Olympians

    By Alex Lasker, AOL.com

    May 3rd, 2019 at 9:37AM

    A transgender weightlifter is receiving backlash after racking up multiple wins during the 100% Raw Weightlifting Federation competition in Virginia over the weekend.

    Mary Gregory, an American powerlifter and strength coach, took to Instagram on Sunday to announce she had gone "9 for 9" at the competition and broken four women's world records: Masters world squat record, open world bench record, Masters world deadlift record and Masters world total record.

    "Still processing, full meet recap to come a bit later," she wrote, before thanking those who made her feat possible, including the competition's organizers.

    "A huge thank you to @raw_powerlifting_federation_ , from the bottom of my heart!" Gregory said. "As a transgender lifter I was unsure what to expect going into this meet and everyone- all the spotters, loaders, referees, staff, meet director, all made me welcome and treated me as just another female lifter- thank you!"



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    What a day, 9 for 9! Masters world squat record, open world bench record, masters world dl record, and masters world total record! Still processing, full meet recap to come a bit later but I do want to thank a few people! - From our initial consultation I told @savvysavit that I wanted to cut to the 82.5kg class, go 9 for 9, and set some records- we did it!!! I don't think she was happy with me cutting but she was there offering her support. When I needed a pick me up or advice she was there! Thank you coach! - A huge thank you to @raw_powerlifting_federation_ , from the bottom of my heart! As a transgender lifter I was unsure what to expect going into this meet and everyone- all the spotters, loaders, referees, staff, meet director, all made me welcome and treated me as just another female lifter- thank you! And thanks to all the fans in the audience who cheered me on and congratulated me! - Thank @rrrrachele for making the trip out to support me today, video my lifts, and cheer me on! - And thank you to all the peeps on Instagram who reached out to offer your support! - Now for and !!! - #transgenderwoman#sharetheplatform#transrightsarehumanrights#lgbtq#bemoreawesome#upliftandliftheavy#morefemalestrength#richmondbalance#liftlunchlearnrva#squat#bench#deadlift▲
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    #sharetheplatform shirt came in and it fits! Thanks @womensstrengthcoalition and @fearherfightathletics !!!❤️ - 4 weeks out, heavyish sqwat and binch singles with commands. Need to work on the timing on my press commands! Much harder than one thinks to give yourself commands!!! - @beefpuffbarbell @richmondbalance804 - #transisbeautiful#upliftandliftheavy#hereonpurpose#lgbtq#wellmarbled#wewontbeerased#squats#benching#archingischeating#womenwholift#powerliftingwomen#powerliftingmotivation#girlswhopowerlift▲





    However, despite her own enthusiasm, Gregory's win seems to have angered a few other athletes, including former British Olympic swimmer Sharron Davies and British track Olympian Kelly Holmes.

    Davies took to Twitter to express her disdain over Gregory competing as a woman, writing, "This is a trans woman a male body with male physiology setting a world record & winning a woman’s event in America in powerlifting. A woman with female biology cannot compete. It’s a pointless unfair playing field."


    Piggybacking on Davies' sentiment, Holmes chimed in, writing Gregory's record-setting was "a bloody joke" and that biological women may start to "boycott certain events."

    "Have a trans category if need be but even better a trans games," she continued. "Otherwise i’m starting to worry about the backlash and abuse that the trans community will get from spectators. It will happen!"


    Davies, a vocal supporter of Fair Play For Women, a group which describes itself as being "concerned about the impact of transgender policy on the participation of women and girls in sport," later returned to social media to double down on her critique.

    "The reason we have men & women’s races are because we are biologically different," she wrote. "Performance 100% confirms that. The reason steroids (including testosterone) are on the banned list is because using them gives you an advantage. FairPlay is racing by biology by sex not by gender."


    Despite some backlash and negative comments, Gregory expressed her gratitude to people on Instagram who "reached out to offer your support" following her wins
     
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  14. lechnerd

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  15. electronic

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    Are there studies showing that trans athletes are winning a disproportionate amount of athletic events?

    It’s hard to separate legitimate concern about protecting women vs. transphobia in a lot of these circumstances, and it seems like a lot of folks are responding based on anecdotal evidence and pseudo science.

    I don’t know what the answer is, but it’s shitty that any trans athletes who performs well will always undergo this scrutiny.
     
  16. 40wwttamgib

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    Keeps me up at night, Lech.
     
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    :facepalm:
     
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  18. Imurhuckleberry

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    I think I'm kind of in a unique position here in that I fully support these athletes competing wherever they
    Want. Not because it's fair or any sort of social justice but so that the next time someone gets upset when Serena is referred to as the greatest female tennis player there's reference points.
     
  19. JohnnyChimpo

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  20. Comcast

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    Perfectly describes transgenderism.
     
  21. Redav

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    I wonder which it is
     
  22. Tug

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    It’s pretty obvious when people are suddenly fans of women’s Olympic weight lifting. Or when they care about the Connecticut girls indoor track state championships.
     
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  23. Redav

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    Prob could just search the site for people's thoughts on the WNBA
     
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  24. og543ss

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    I’d fuck a man to prove I’m not transphobic
     
  25. Soup

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    Only a matter of time before this happened.
     
  26. electronic

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  28. Larry Sura

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    Will biological female athletes be relevant in ten years?
     
  29. Daniel Ocean

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    Is this a serious question?
     
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  30. Larry Sura

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    Is this a serious thread?
     
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  31. Soup

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    Yes.
     
  32. Daniel Ocean

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    I am just asking. Do you really believe this is such a huge issue that biological women won’t compete in sports anymore. Do you really think that and if so why? That seems like an overreaction to a minor issue.
     
  33. Larry Sura

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    To take the question seriously, I guess I could see some women choosing not to compete. In those three girl's eyes, what's the point? I still think the majority of women would take part because athletics is all about the challenge.
     
  34. AIP

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    Are they relevant now
     
  35. Daniel Ocean

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    So I am confused by your original question because it seems like you think they’ll still relevant. I thought you thought the opposite that they wouldn’t.
     
  36. BWC

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    Like moths to a flame with the first few replies today
     
  37. lechnerd

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  38. Bill the Butcher

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    These broads lost to a U15 boys team. Lol.
     
  39. BWC

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  40. Frank Martin

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    The real answer is there probably aren't enough trans athletes to have a good dataset.
     
  41. Frank Martin

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    It really would be the ultimate troll job if transathletes took over the uswnt right as the equal pay started.
     
  42. Mikelangelo

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    This subject really sucks and brings out the most ridiculous arguments.

    If a woman changes gender and wants to compete with men, good fucking luck. If a man changes gender and competes with women and sets records, most won't accept it.

    Transgender is part of our society but don't think it should be part of Olympics till way more facts are available and don't think it will ever be accepted.

    If that makes me a Trump loving/rightist pig then so be it.
     
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  43. Josey Wales

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    The right is so fucking dumb.

    Gender is super straightforward because we’re experts on the body, but the effects of carbon are really inconclusive.
     
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  44. Josey Wales

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    If a Liz Warren identified as a man tomorrow and won in 2020, she’d be the first truly masculine president in the White House since Obama.
     
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  45. electronic

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    Why not let them compete until facts prove they have an unfair advantage?
     
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  46. og543ss

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    Setting new world records immediately after they are allowed to compete isn’t facts you’re right
     
  47. electronic

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    How many? Is it statistically significant?
     
  48. Mikelangelo

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    I don't think you realize how crazy IOC standards are. Ryan Lochte(the douche he is) got banned for a year for using an IV to recover from a workout.

    This isn't some left vs right everyone has to defend their side to the death thing like some of you make out everything in the world to be.

    If they refuse to do research on it then bash them but just letting male-female trans in without knowing all the facts deteriorates what the Olympics are.
     
  49. electronic

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    I'm merely of the opinion that folks should get a chance to do stuff until and unless there is a verifiable reason not to. I'm not saying that transgendered athletes should be allowed to compete under any circumstance. Just that if they're going to be excluded, there ought to be an evidence based reason for it.