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Discussion in 'Game of Thrones (ASOIAF)' started by slhorn, Oct 19, 2012.
Every Man A Targ
goes both ways
i dont know where the wedding night stuff comes from. havent read these things in years but i was thinking he fucked her while Tywin was Hand and is the reason they fell out and he left. Aerys took Jaime to keep Tywin in line and and stick it to him.
Also make his son the lord of casterly rock ;) The Dragon has 3 heads, yo.
and fake ass Aegon isnt one
1) I just think Tyrion was supposed to be ugly, but I can't really argue against this point.
2) I think this is supposed to show Tyrions desire for power/overcome his physical limitations. Cersei dreams of burning down the red keep with wildfire, which could show she is Aerys daughter (the point being, I don't think this is that strong of evidence)
3) True, but since that Barristan quote was in ADWD, you would think GRRM would have it better planned out.
4) I think thats just showing how much disdain Tywin has for Tyrion, and how he can't believe HE, Tywin Fucking Lannister, could produce a son who looked and acted like Tyrion.
That theory is impossible to disprove at this point. But considering the amount of evidence GRRM has thrown at us about Jons secret parentage, and the amount of direct evidence he has thrown in our face showing Aegon, a relatively minor character, might not have the parents we are led to believe, I really don't see enough evidence of Tyrion being a Targ to fit with GRRMs style.
I mean, he has spent 4 books dropping hints about R+L=J, and yet he only drops 4 hints about his other main characters secret parentage?
I hope it's a bs theory, but right now I believe it. Granted a lot of what a believe derives from story. Tyrion going to Dany, the dragon having three heads, Jon already accounted for... thematically it's there.
I think people read a little too much into "the dragon has three heads", that could mean a lot of things. He says that to the real baby Aegon, so why wouldn't the real baby Aegon be one of the three heads (and since he is dead, there are now only two).
This would make sense if one of the dragons is going to fall into the wrong hands (which pretty much has to happen narratively, not much drama if the only three nuclear weapons are all owned by the heros).
Joffrey, myrcella and tommen as targs would be interesting
ive thought he might be for awhile but now that i've actually seen Tyrion bro out with the dragons and basically breakdown in tears remembering how he felt about them in childhood on the show. Hes a Targ to me until i see a dna test
I don't like the theory at all, but it's not without some level of merit. The secret parentage is a great story with Jon, it's setup from the very beginning, makes complete sense with all of the characters and stories involved, and fits perfectly into the overall plot... An, "Oh yeah, by the way this guy isn't a Lannister either" just seems overdone to me.
Agree, I would prefer Cersei and Jaime to be Targs.... but all being Lannisters is better.
I always thought this was just basic genetics being discussed by people who had no idea how genetics works.
The seed was strong is absolutely in regards to the Baratheon and how "gold always yielded to the coal" in regards to hair color.
Yup, was kind of a big deal in book 1 guys.
Tyrion finna be riding a dragon and everyone itt like, "Nah, he ain't a Targ, bruh."
I always took the "taking liberties" thing to mean he got a little excessively handsy during the bedding ceremony. The bedding ceremony is basically the wedding guests escorting the bride and groom to the bridal chamber while "helping them" with the removal of their clothes. If Aerys banged her during it, people would know. It just emphasized his lust for her.
Also, Dany, Jon, and Tyrion all had their mothers die during their birth. Can you think of any others who "killed" their mother by being born?
The three riders being Dany, Jon and Tyrion just makes too much sense.
I mean, you used the major plot line of the first book/season, which is completely unrelated to the point you are trying to make, as the first point in support of your theory. You may end up being correct, but the "Lannister genes being so scrong" is silly.
Tyrion is just a little mongoloid. He came out all fucked up, which is why his dad (the most rich and proud man in Westeros) is so ashamed of him.
You may be right, you may be wrong. The dragon dreams and what happened this season on the show seem to support the theory. The rest is *jackoff emoji*
The Sansa line in this quote is very intriguing now. Sansa has made it to the wall in the show; so maybe that's the castle built of snow. Maybe an evil Umber since their sigil is a roaring giant, or possibly it's an actual giant from when the horn of Joramum wakes the giants. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Euron Greyjoy has different color eyes.
Euron Greyjoy is obsessed with dragons.
Euron Greyjoy has Targ like madness.
Euron Greyjoy is obsessed with Valyria and has Valyrian steel armor.
Euron Greyjoy is clearly a Targ.
Pretty sure the castle built of snow is referencing the snow castle Robin built in the Vale at the end of ASOS. GRRM likes prophecies to come true in unexpected ways, not everything has to have end game meaning
You keep harping on this like it's the same as dragon dreams. GRRM clearly establishes that Targs have dragon dreams as kids and Tyrion talks about having dragon dreams as kids.
Which is not actually 'evidence' right, like you get that? Where does it talk about dragon dreams being only a province of Targaryens?
That's a fair point. I'm just saying GRRM went out of his way to establish it and the only non-Targs he's mentioned with it are Jon (secret Targ) and Tyrion. I hope it's a misdirect too, but GRRM definitely laid the framework.
when did Jon have dragon dreams?
It could be, but Sansa didn't or hasn't slayed Sweet Robin at this point. All she did was rip up his doll.
When Jon and Tyrion are on their way to the Wall, Tyrion tells Jon about his dragon dreams as a kid and I can't remember the wording, but Jon is "shocked" or something along those lines. It's built to imply that Jon is surprised that someone else has similar dreams.
Euron dreamed about flying...he just didn't say how he was flying
I am just fucking around. I don't think Tyrion is a targ and I think it would be a HORRIBLE plot twist, but I don't deny that it is within the realm of possibilities.
Are dragon dreams and dreams about dragons the same?
There is nothing that says only targs can ride a dragon. Merely mentioned that Valyrian heritage might be a factor.
Good point, there are a lot of Valyrian's left in Westeros too.
dragons dreams are dreams that are premonitions not necessarily dreams about dragons.
So not at all the same as the dreams tyrion had.
the Waif is the girl that stabbed Arya in the stomach last night.
another huffington/buzzfeed theory articled lazily farmed from reddit.
arya will warg into the waif before she dies, puts on arya's face, and it's almost like arya never died
similar to this:
There's a theory that the waif is actually Arya, and the Arya we see is her old identity that she is trying to "kill" or get rid of. Kind of like a fight club deal. Seems quite far fetched, but a theory nonetheless.
I just had a thought... So, we all agree that the Clegane bowl is much more likely in the books, right? We also know that Gregor is basically a reanimated corpse. We know of some other reanimated corpses, the wights, and we know what the best way to kill them is... So my thought is the Hound basically will have to overcome his fear of fire, and use it to slay the Mountain whenever the Cleganebowl does go down.
I know I'm in the minority, but Cleganebowl doesn't interest me at all. Maybe if it was the real Gregor fighting; I don't think the Hound can really get his revenge against the zombie version of his brother.
I like the thought of any pair of the most fearsome knights in the seven kingdoms crossing swords. Those two being brothers who hate each other makes it all the better.
And yes, I know Sandor Clegane is no knight, but he is one of the most fearsome warriors in the seven kingdoms.
I agree a bit. The thought of Sandor growing as a character is more interesting than a battle, but it would also be cool to see those two fight.
Would I rather watch zombie monster versus the Hound OR maybe we can watch Dany talk with Tyrion for 20 minutes about the logistics of moving the Dothraki across the sea and end with Dany suggesting they should sleep on it and reconvene in a week to finish up the details on planning the meeting about the meeting on the invasion. Hmmmm...............
I was talking about the books.
Well in that case GRRM would make it even more boring
Not necessarily, but there would DEFINITELY be several hundred pages on the food they were eating during these meetings.
Quite the diplomat. I just take notes during her sequences.
Then she will go deliver another locker room speech to tell everyone how she's totally going to take shit over at some point in the future and they're gonna kill all those fuckers across the sea, but first we're going to chat for a few more months and go on a few more side adventures like this is someone trying to hit 100% in a game of Skyrim.
Never did hit 100%