What's Up With All Those Train Derailments?

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  1. Baron

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    I went to Springfield for a wedding one time, that city blows lol.
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  2. 40wwttamgib

    40wwttamgib Fah Q, Ohio

    top 3 worst cities in the state and that is really saying something
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  3. MORBO!

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    idk about y'all, but I think maybe we need Trump to get back into office so we can have several more infrastructure weeks.
  4. jokewood

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    Sheltering in place because of potential chemical exposure is a rite of passage in Ohio. Had to do it myself for the Miamisburg train derailment of 86.
  5. Drown ‘Em

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    This happened about 3 hours ago on a Norfolk Southern line about 12 miles from where my parents live in Alabama. Thankfully no hazardous materials are being reported on the train. But look at that picture. Where the fuck is the left rail? I’m sure it had been properly maintained by Norfolk Southern.
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  7. Goose

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    So are we going to hear about every train derailment now

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    Absolutely. This is now the train derailment thread
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  10. lomcevak

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    What about every thread that's derailed by inane bickering? Can we keep track of that here too?
  11. Lip

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    you can do whatever the fuck you want - that’s life on the internet. Be a bad boy

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    You’ll have that on these big jobs.
  13. The Banks

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    Rail is meant to withstand downward pressure, not so much horizontal, think of it like an I-beam. The gauge rods and spreader bars are meant to hold the track at a particular width, not allowing it to move too far out or in. The force of the derailment can absolutely cause those to give and sheer off spikes and allow the tracks to separate. Now whether the cause of the derailment was the tracks, the trucks, or operator error is TBD.
  14. herb.burdette

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  15. Goose

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    Don’t know where he lives but I can guarantee that’s false
  16. jokewood

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    The conductor kept rattling on about In-N-Out vs. Whataburger, and the engineer could not take it any longer.
  17. Drown ‘Em

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    To be clear, I wasn’t suggesting the rail separating was the cause of the derailment. I was just saying that it looked like the derailment did a number on the rail. I do not pretend to have any rail expertise at all, and my comment was based more on the location being near a curve in the rural eastern Alabama foothills than any analysis of the crash. But you’re absolutely right the separation isn’t necessarily indicative of lack of maintenance. However, it is now being reported all of the cars were empty, so the mass of the train is less than if they were filled (obviously). Not sure how much force is needed to get that kind of separation of rail, but I have seen plenty of pictures of derailments where the rail doesn’t separate. Again, no real reason to assume lack of maintenance except a distrust of Norfolk Southern.
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  18. Prospector

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    Norfolk Southern CEO Refuses to Commit to Giving Workers 7 Paid Sick Days, Halting Stock Buybacks
    Questioned at a Senate hearing on the East Palestine disaster, Alan Shaw also wouldn't agree to end "precision-scheduled railroading," a Wall Street-led profit-maximizing approach that critics say endangers communities nationwide.
    Mar 09, 2023

    Shaw refused to commit to providing workers with seven days of paid sick leave, ceasing stock buybacks, and abandoning Wall Street-endorsed policies that critics say contribute to the 1,500-plus derailments seen each year in the U.S., including Norfolk Southern's toxic crash near the Ohio-Pennsylvania border last month as well as a derailment that happened in Alabama just before the multimillionaire executive testified.

    In remarks prepared for the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, Shaw wrote, "I am deeply sorry for the impact this derailment has had on the people of East Palestine and surrounding communities, and I am determined to make it right."

    But during the committee's hearing, Shaw refused to use the multiple opportunities he was given to publicly commit to enacting meaningful changes.

    Noting that Norfolk Southern has recently rewarded wealthy investors with $10 billion in stock buybacks, Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont asked Shaw if he could "tell the American people and your employees right now that... you will guarantee at least seven paid sick days to the 15,000 workers you employ."

    Sanders acknowledged that Norfolk Southern recently agreed to provide up to a week of paid sick leave per year to roughly 3,000 track maintenance workers. However, he asked Shaw, "Will you make that commitment right now to your entire workforce?"

    "I will commit to continuing to discuss with them important quality-of-life issues," Shaw responded.

    Sanders told Shaw he sounds "like a politician" and reiterated his question, but the executive repeated his dodge.

    Sanders, chair of the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, then told Shaw that he looks forward to discussing the matter further, hinting at a potential request to testify before the panel he leads.

    Later during the hearing, Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley of Oregon asked Shaw, "Will you pledge today that you will do no more stock buybacks until a raft of safety measures have been completed to reduce the risk of derailments and crashes in the future?"

    Once again, Shaw refused to give a straight answer, saying that he will commit to "continuing to invest in safety." Merkley repeated his question, to no avail.

    More Perfect Union has calculated that payouts to Norfolk Southern's shareholders surged by more than 4,500% over the past 20 years, from $101 million in stock repurchases and dividend bumps in 2002 to $4.7 billion in 2022.

    In response to Merkely's inquiry, Shaw claimed that thanks to his company's safety investments, "the number of derailments, hazardous material releases, and personal injuries has declined" over time.

    Not helping Shaw's case, a Norfolk Southern train careened off the tracks in Calhoun County, Alabama around 6:45 am ET on Thursday, about three hours before the hearing began. The rail giant was also responsible for other derailments last month in addition to the highly visible one in East Palestine. Moreover, a Norfolk Southern conductor was killed in a collision in Ohio early Tuesday.

    More Perfect Union shared data showing that Norfolk Southern's accident rate grew faster than the industry average over the past decade and accused the CEO of lying about his company's safety record.

    According to Railroad Workers United and others, industry-led deregulation and Wall Street-backed policies such as "precision-scheduled railroading" (PSR) have made the U.S. rail system more dangerous.

    During Thursday's hearing, Sanders brought up PSR, which forces fewer workers to manage longer trains in less time.

    The profit-maximizing practice championed by Wall Street has enabled Norfolk Southern to rake in billions of dollars while reducing the size of its workforce by nearly 40% over a recent six-year period, said Sanders, but that has come at the expense of safety.

    "Will you make a commitment right now to the American people that you will lead the industry in ending this disastrous precision-scheduled railroading?"

    Despite Sanders' request for a "yes or no" answer, Shaw danced around the question, saying that he has increased hiring since becoming CEO last May.

    Sanders characterized the recent uptick in hiring as an attempt to recover from a preceding round of mass layoffs and asked once again if Shaw "will lead the industry in doing away with" the PSR model that was "imposed" by profit-hungry Wall Street actors.

    Shaw, however, refused to commit to such a change.

    Thursday's hearing comes two days after the National Transportation Safety Board—which is already probing the causes of the East Palestine disaster—announced a "special investigation" into Norfolk Southern's "organization and safety culture."

    It also comes less than a month after Shaw angered East Palestine residents by skipping a town hall where people expressed their concerns over the long-term consequences of air pollution and groundwater contamination stemming from the release and burnoff of carcinogenic chemicals, a move that was made to avoid a catastrophic explosion.

    Following the hearing on Capitol Hill, Food & Water Watch executive director Wenonah Hauter said in a statement that "Shaw's apology today rings hollow," coming as it did "after years spent pushing to roll back the very sorts of safety regulations that would have prevented an accident like this."

    "If Norfolk Southern had real concern for the safety of the countless communities like East Palestine through which their trains run, they would be calling for more safety measures for the industry," said Hauter. "Instead they offer voluntary steps that can easily be undone, prioritizing profit margins over people."
  19. herb.burdette

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    I think we need to find out how many people really are driving that train high on cocaine.

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  20. gilstein21

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    Ha this is right outside my dads neighborhood. I’ll have to ask him about it.

    edit: not outside neighborhood, but a railroad crossing I’ve been over hundreds of times not too far away.
  21. bro

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  22. FSUnole1988

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    Opened this thread thinking it was about Purdue basketball.
  23. Homo Erectus

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    People shit on safety and employees to maximize profit. They used to do it in half measures, now they don't even pretend to do the half measures.