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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Barves2125, May 28, 2015.
Those are rookies numbers
should probably point out we know a bunch of boogaloo boys are in town and they have a cop body count already
Also, cops are terrible shots and known to shoot themselves some times.
Good chance they were shooting at a nearby black man and accidentally shot each other.
There are too many guns in this country. And the supposed tool for resisting tyranny or whatever, has given rise to agents of the state getting broad latitude on killing civilians because of how many guns there are.
Banging does not equal knocking.
listen my dude. You posted that. He says “I wouldn’t knowingly shoot a cop”. Ergo he didn’t know it was a cop banging (if they did) on his door. He said “they know what they did”. Hence they didn’t announce they were cops they just bang the door down. That quote doesn’t prove what you think it does.
Yes to all of this and it would take one minute to get that information if you wanted to. He doesn't.
The warrant was obtained on bad information, otherwise they wouldn't have entered the house unannounced (hence the no knock). They shot the wrong person under the wrong circumstance based of faulty information, then tried to cover it up. I'm not going to play semantics with you but your disingenuous responses once again show exactly what you are.
just before this, probably:
“You ready to take one for the team, bro?”
“Yeah, just get it over with.”
“Alright. 3. 2. *BANG*”
“Ah fuck! I said my arm you asshole!”
“My bad, bro. Now come do my leg.”
This is weird since they're arresting unarmed protesters while letting armed white supremacists run free. As Lyrtch said, Bugaloo Boys already have a cop body count. Wouldn't it be more likely the armed people that already killed a cop are responsible?
I don't know why we're even talking about this. The flu kills more people! Sounds like media hype.
What about all the cops who weren't shot today?
I'm not saying it's right, but if the cops complied with the crowds, they probably wouldn't have been shot.
There are 800k active cops, so this is .0000025 of cops shot. Maybe just a herd mentality and it'll go away.
This is why companies like Papa John's are leaving Louisville
There has to be some onus on the police, the ones who were serving the no-knock, to do some kind of due diligence here. They were at the wrong house due to what amounts to criminal negligence.
[Edit: is this not true that they were at the wrong house? They were actually intentionally serving a warrant to gain corroborating evidence for someone already in custody? wtf]
Somebody gets drunk at a wedding and kills someone on the way home, you don't blame the whole culture of alcohol at weddings and the greater system for criminalizing cannabis and revering alcohol... you hold the drunk who accidentally killed someone responsible.
I'm not a lawyer obviously. But there has to be some statute here that applies to some kind of negligent homicide or manslaughter or something of the like, for being reckless enough with bad information that an innocent was deprived of life and liberty as a direct result of their actions. Maybe somebody can explain to me why that doesn't seem to be possible? Serious question, are they shielded from that kind of charge by some kind of qualified immunity or what?
The recklessness and negligence of everything about it is what gets me.
They got a (no-knock) warrant for her apartment in large part because her ex told his new girlfriend that he was light on cash because Breonna was holding several thousand dollars of his drug money. How flimsy is that, first of all? How different do things turn out if someone had the common sense to say “Well of course he told his new girl that his ex had the money.”?
The night she returned home with her new boyfriend, two cops were supposed to be watching her apartment to confirm she had returned home. They confirmed to the tactical she was home and alone (and presumed unarmed); later admitting they “didn’t see” her return and just assumed because her living rooms light turned on. What were those two doing instead of their fucking job at the time? How different does this turn out if they see Kenneth Walker, known to them as her boyfriend and a legally licensed gun owner, enter the apartment with Breonna?
How different if they don’t send away the ambulance that is required to stand by during the execution of no-knock warrants? Once they arrested her ex it changed from no-knock to announce-and-enter.
How different if they’d announced themselves as police? 11 of 12 witnesses claimed they did not; the 12th was interviewed multiple times before saying “maybe” he heard them say it once.
If they hadn’t been so enraged by their guy getting shot in the leg that they proceeded to fire indiscriminately through the apartment and neighboring unit?
If they hadn’t sought medical assistance for the cop shot in the leg once instead of the woman shot six times?
If the ambulance that came for Breonna had been given the right address by the dispatcher? It came to the apartment complex’s back gate which was locked and spend several minutes having to navigate around.
If they’d had fucking body cams on....?
The whole thing is damning of the system. Of police mentality (let’s be real - they didn’t announce bc those tactical team hardos *wanted* it to be a no-knock situation).
Wow, who to tag...
she wasn’t sleeping, they weren’t at the wrong house, it doesn’t make this not a huge tragedy with a ton of systemic fuck ups but I don’t know why people argue using hashtags and not the facts of what happened
They weren't at the wrong house.
Now if you want to blame the detective that got the warrant for including that house bc of one package, cool.
But that's what I'm saying. It was breakdown after breakdown in the system that put those cops there that night. No knocks should be illegal except in the highest priority cases. They shouldn't be legal for a little weed. They should only come after a lot of deep investigating with hard evidence showing why a target should be raided.
But I cant hold the cops on sight responsible for system breakdowns that put then there. People keep saying "they got the warrant" like the 3 officers doing the raid got it. That's not how it works. That happens way above them. They were just told to go serve it.
No knocks became popular because of the drug war in the 80's. They've become routine at this point and its outrageous. People keep getting hurt, keep getting killed.
But cops get to dress up like robocop and break into a house.
It's wild that you don't have cops denouncing them.
In 2018, 80 percent of the time, SWAT teams were deployed to execute a search warrant instead of crises such as hostage situations or active shooters.
I'd add there isn't much difference between no knock and quick knock raids. Neither of them should be used often.
These are good points and the reason the family has settled a civil suit for millions. The system fucked this up bad.
Holy shit. Given I knew what was going to happen I was hoping the cops would have just bashed his fucking head in with something. Christ that was hard to watch.
I'm not on board with this, but I think it's a reasonable way of looking at things, as long as somebody is held accountable.
There was a lot more wrongdoing than that, but somebody needs to be held accountable. I do not believe the law allows for a person to be justifiably killed when no crime has been committed by anyone, and the system currently taking that position is a tragic if expected failure.
We should start serving no knock warrants on big pharma CEOs that pushed Oxy and kill them if they resist. Robert Sackler having dozens of holes in his body is hot af
I agree it feels gross to not hold anyone personally responsible. The most responsible are the lawmakers that made no knocks a thing. Unfortunately I assume most of them are dead by now.
I think outlawing them, which i think Louisville and maybe even Kentucky as a whole has done, is the best we can do. Change the system.
Cops should be out front saying "Na we don't want to be knocking down doors at 3am when the homeowner likely has a gun to shoot at us bc they think we are an intruder." But they aren't.
Giant preface - no knock warrants are dangerous and should be immediately outlawed.
Blaming the no-knock here is a bit of a red herring to me. The problem is that cops aggressively came into the house of two law abiding citizens and murdered a woman who posed zero threat at any time to them.
The persons who got the incorrect warrant are at fault, as are the officers who created the dangerous situation. Hell, the officers who put together the warrant should be charged with perjury in addition to manslaughter.
In many (all?) states, the driver of a vehicle who gets in a car chase with police is responsible for deaths that occur as a result of the chase, even if the driver doesn't actually hit anyone.It is absolutely foreseeable that a person barging into an innocent person's home would be shot.
It wasn't an incorrect warrant. They had info, granted it was weak based on one package going to her house, but they target that house. The judge accepted it. It wasn't incorrect. They went to the right house based on the signed warrant.
Yes, they aggressively went into the house. That's what a no knock warrant is. They don't knock and ask you to come outside. They knock the door down at 3am and hope to surprise you.
When fired on (understandably so), they returned fire. I cant blame them for that.
Really not trying to spend my day doing this so we can just disagree.
That's because a lot of the people that become cops do so for the power and as long as they have it, morals mean little to them. Equally, they typically have very little ability to think for themselves.
The same goes for a large number of the lower ranks of our military.
Because a lot of cops love the idea of doing exactly that.
I've said it before, but I lost all faith in cops serving no-knock warrants being held accountable for their actions, when nobody was charged after police tossed a flashbang grenade into a sleeping baby's crib and put the baby in the ICU. If negligently throwing explosive devices at sleeping babies isn't wrong, then we've kind of passed the point of no return.
Like the Breonna Taylor warrant, the guy they were after also wasn't at the house. An officer also lied about an informant buying drugs from the house so they could obtain a warrant.
You know the statements of a plaintiffs attorney to the media aren't facts right?
Arguing via meme is very smart and what adults do. You nailed it, great job.
dblplay1212 Cops are basically government sanctioned domestic terrorist's man.
You do a lot of bootlicker shit though. So dtx makes a good point even if it is via meme.
Police make a lot more sense when you realize that a bunch of them are just looking for "action." A lot of guys get into policing for the same reasons young men sign up voluntarily to go to war. And then similarly, they're brainwashed to think that everyone they meet is a potential threat.