Baseball History Thread

Hell he was even a lot better in Seattle than he gets credit for outside of that last year

 

2nd as a 3B

switch hitters its hard to beat the mick

 

Top 5 3B according the bWAR unless you include A Rod, then he's 6th. I can't believe people were actually questioning whether or not he was HOF worthy a couple of years ago.

 

Matthews and Schmidt were better man. Chipper is probably 3rd which is great.

 

I just feel like he's cali soft. stupid talent, but misses so many games due to bull shit injuries.

 

Eddie Murray has to be way up there for a switch hitter too.

 

Is Palmeiro underrated?

Easily one of the best hitters of the steroid era. 70 fWAR career.

 

loved him growing up. baseball writers got gay af when news came out he was juicing. fuck that shit, he was awesome.

 

I also loved him when I was younger. Pudge, Juan Gonzalez, and Palmeiro all on one team.

 

definitely agree with maddux and smoltz being better, but i dont know if glavine was overrated.

His last 4 years were nothing special but:

-member of 300 wins club (only 23 ever)
-10 time all star
-2 Cy youngs
-Finished 2nd 2 other times, finished 3rd 2 other times
-so 6 seasons being top 3 in Cy Young voting is pretty damn good
-World series MVP
-5 time NL leader in wins
-Only pitcher to throw 2 shutouts at coors field (random stat thats awesome)

He's not close to being the greatest pitcher ever and no one will ever mention him in that category, but he was in that 2nd tier of pitchers that are certain Hall of Famers. Properly rated imo

 

then you sent him to Baltimore only for Baltimore to trade him back in his prime for WILL FUCKING CLARK.

 

used to love fatassed kent hrbek too

 

oh no

 

Can't think of anyone I hated more than Paul O'Neill as a kid, so I'm classifying him as overrated.

 

Both guys are underrated, it's like baseball came so easy to them it looked like they weren't trying that hard and some people mistook that for indifference...if that makes any sense. Drew just had unrealistic bullshit expectations thrust upon him where if he didn't hit .400 with 40 HRs his rookie year idiots thought he was a bust

 

Who cares about wins or All Star appearances?

 

People act like jd drew plays baseball like his brother

 

was looking at some overrated/underrated lists yesterday and saw Charles Nagy on the overrated list and was confused. Did people actually think he was more than an above average pitcher in the 90's?

 

There seem to be a lot of Braves fans in the thread, so I'll throw out Warren Spahn.

-14 times All Star
-5 times top 3 Cy Young (introduced as an award halfway through his career)
-13 different 20 win seasons
-363 career wins, most of any player after the end of the dead ball era

. . . Spahn then Sain, then pray for rain.

Better one-two punch than Glavine and Maddox?

 

The better one two punch was Smoltz/Maddux

Glavine's numbers are above average, but theres nothing spectacular about any of then

 

Whether it's a good stat to use in a comparison of pitchers doesn't take anything anyway from historically significant numbers

 

Who cares about a formula that tells me that Bert Blyleven was a better pitcher than Warren Spahn?

 

Only half joking about the more recent Braves. Sain never had the longevity of the other 1990's and 2000's guys. For a short stretch post WWII, however, you could argue that the Braves had the best two pitchers in the National League.

 

if it's a worthless stat, why should it be significant?

 

Homer but Jim Edmonds is underrated. He should be in the HOF and wont.

 

Phil Neikro and Gaylord Perry both have a higher WAR than Nolan Ryan.

 

Oh god damn

 

wat?

Nolan Ryan - 108.5 fWAR
Gaylord Perry - 100.4
Phil Niekro - 76.6

 

I'm just making this up as I go along.

 

Guys Jeff Bagwell was really good.

 

Edgar Martinez is the greatest player of all time

 

Ted Williams laughs at both of them

 

Really liked several Angels from those teams, Tim Salmon, Darin Erstad, etc.

 

Not really. Bonds still has a case for being better. No one laughs at Barry Bonds.

 

what's the case?

 

Guess I shouldn't have said better, but he's on par with Williams in about every category besides average. He was amazing.

 

I mean there's a pretty big gap between .493 and .435 wOBA and nearly 40 point gap in OBP. All the hyperbole about Ted Williams is pretty well justified. You were right though, nobody should laugh at Barry Bonds unless it's about his growing melon or effeminate voice.

 

Yeah, they're easily the best two hitters ever. I just fucking hate people who talk about Rose like he was some god. Fuck that guy. Wasn't nearly as talented as those two or even quite a few other hitters.

 

Most underrated Simpsons softball player: It's obvious that Ken Griffey Jr. was the star of that team but gets labeled as a cheater for being sidelined with gigantism. I have to say Wade Boggs, who would have been a superstar if he had not argued with Barney Gumble that Lord Palmerston was a better English Prime Minister than Pitt the Elder.

 

Not when you factor in Williams losing three seasons when he was playing the best baseball of his career to the war. If Williams didn't miss those seasons he would've likely finished his career with over 3000 hits, over 600 home runs, and over 2000 RBIs. All that with a career batting average around .340. Williams really is the greatest hitter in history but the closest to him would probably be Bonds. Some could argue for Cobb too as the guy could hit home runs if he wanted to but that just wasn't his thing.

 

Wat?

 

Really wonder where Trout is going to end up on the all time list. If he has one more season like he's had his first few, he's alresdy had an amazing career.

 

I honestly forgot about Cobb. Still think Bonds and Williams are top 2.

 

Babe Ruth was better than both

 

Maybe. It's hard to even compare any of the different eras really. All I was getting at to begin with is that Pete Rose is overrated and doesn't belong in the same category as any of them.