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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Fuzzy Zoeller, Jun 23, 2022.
No, Democrats need a better option.
But America will lose if that's our only two viable options again
This is where I stand.
No, but I'll take Biden over a Nick Fuentes/Matt Walsh clone getting into office.
She turns 35 3 weeks prior to the election and the rule is she has to be 35 by inauguration so she could run unless I'm missing something.
He was talking in the past tense; the last election.
I don't think it is the right time for Newsome. I think he will go to the Senate then run later when the Dems have a better chance to win.
I've said it in other threads, and I don't think she'd do it, but Michele Obama is the only D I think could win. Kamala or Pete would get murdered by DeSantis, sadly.
I don't understand when people that think the president can force someone like Manchin to vote for things he's not in favor of
D's at least try to govern the country. R's do everything to actively dismantle it. Not really a comparable bar
No. He voted yes in this poll bc he thought AOC wasn't eligible.
I think the President can apply a lot more pressure than Biden did and make his life pretty miserable, but no he can't force him of course.
I see now. I skipped the poll altogether and was just reading responses.
I think part of the reason for the nosedive for Biden is that his agenda has not been the agenda he ran on, and he isn’t left enough/populist enough to satisfy the D base. He’s not the guy independents thought he would govern as, and he’s not the guy he assured the base he would be.** Look at the poll results of this thread (this is not to mention his gaffes, mental acuities, creepiness, etc).
also, there is a lot to be said of his messaging. More so that Klain and possibly Rice think that is the problem. No, inflation is the problem. It is messaging-proof. People are paying more for shit than they ever have and they hold the admin responsible. On some level they are right (American rescue plan was short sighted).
* I suppose this is true of any candidate that rallies to the middle in the gen election, but Biden was an empty suit for a lot of people I know. He was the alternative to trump, and voters believed whatever they wanted to believe about what that meant his admin would look like.
You make his life miserable and then you can't even get judges through
how exactly is he going to do that? he's from west virginia, this is what he was elected to do.
“Moderates” aka republicans who say they’re open to voting either way really hate newsome after the French Laundry thing. I had one tell me he was a communist the other day.
they're going to vote republican anyway so who cares.
I'm struggling to understand your position here. A simple majority means absolutely nothing in the Senate, which you surely know. And the Senate is rarely dissuaded by the executive office because they hold a considerable amount of power over the EO. To suggest that the president should be able to bully the Senate in it's current format to get what he wants is a very rudimentary, naive take.
I’m ok with Joe, but I’d rather Trump die. That’s my pick.
this. the Fox News crowd is going to hate him no matter what
oops then I change my vote. I thought she was born in ‘90 for some reason.
I didn't want him to run in 2020 so...
Meh. Certain opposition draws people out/ makes them apathetic.
Warren/AOC would probably be the best thing that could happen to the country which means it’s never going to happen because we’re all fucked for letting ignorant asshole bumfucks lead us into a hellhole on everything from science to politics. Eat Arby’s.
I will be voting for Matthew mcconaughey
In an alternate reality where the GOP took one senate seat in Jan 2021, are the leftists ITT less frustrated with Biden and the Dems? I remember thinking that the expectations of Dems and the left got really inflated when they took both senate seats.
I disagree. I think the vast majority of voters are moderate and have somewhat of an open mind. The extremes are just much more vocal.
"moderates" are just Republicans who don't want to admit they support Republicans
We wanted to understand who the democrats should run for president, so we spoke to a group of people from Ohio who lied about their medical covid experience in order to sow doubt about vaccines…
Did you forget that we all know you voted for Trump? And defended this decision repeatedly?
That doesn't mean I'm obligated to vote Republican forever.
Moderate and independent aren’t the same thing imo
You are either the dumbest poster on this board or the most disingenuous
Yes the extremes. Where one wants everyone to have access to healthcare and eliminating child poverty and the other extreme wants to overturn election results. These are the same.
We need more Ivy League educated leaders
That’s why Governor Ron is here to show us what an ivy education gets you.
I guarantee 95% of the people complaining about inflation/gas have zero idea how the same issues are affecting countries other than the US.
Y’all will eventually come to your senses on President Secretary Mayor Pete.
I just wonder how crazy it will get if Biden doesn’t run. Will Buttigieg, Harris, Warren, and Sanders all go for the nomination again? Will they trash either other again? I was surprised when all of them worked for Biden after campaigning against each other.
Yeah but it’s solely Biden’s fault. I get all of my global economic information and opinions from stickers people put on gas pumps.
This is such a great photo. Shows how spineless he is. Trump shit talked about him and his wife over and over and yet he still kissed his ass after he won the nomination.
I’m torn between Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang
It’s not a 50/50 senate.
That's politics, baby.
Somebody who can appeal to up the WWC voters in the upper-midwest that Obama was so good with.
Just not abundantly clear to me who that is. Maybe Gretchen Whitmer.
I dont concede the idea that 50/50 is actually 48/52. I think the administration could have and can do a better job convincing, negotiating, horse trading etc with there two to get what they want on key agenda items. “We tried, he didn’t want to do it” or “that bitch” doesn’t cut it for the power of the Presidency. For me.
No one can force him, but like that’s the narrowest view of what’s possible. Oh we can’t tie him to a chair and put a gun to his head, might as well just admit there’s absolutely no way to get this done. Maybe it’s true, I don’t think it is.
Isn’t this like the exact logic you hate from Democrats when it comes to plenty of issues? Well if we do this, then the Republicans will actually get that, so we shouldn’t do this.
I am aware. I disagree with your view on EO power. I think Biden has done a poor job of leveraging that power.
I will vote for Joe again if he’s the guy, obviously. I just don’t think he’s actually done a good job with the hand he was dealt - and now he’s about to be dealt a shit hand and be a figurehead for two years when the GOP takes back at least one chamber this fall.
I've said this 1,000 times, but what's one more. This idea that Joe Biden could apply pressure to Joe Manchin, a Democratic senator in a state that Donald Trump won by 39 points, and which has no other Democratic office holders, and make his life miserable in order to get him to vote different ways is just unbelievably politically ignorant.