Electric Vehicles

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  1. racer

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    I do like that white VW interior a lot.

    Tommy Jefferson it’s the torque you want, not the ponies
     
  2. Tommy Jefferson

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    I do want a pony, don’t you drive one? If you don’t want yours I’ll take it off your hands.

    I’m sure I’m a sucker to the marketing but the 0-60 speed is the negative I was thinking, not necessarily the horsepower with the ID4. No doubt it’s a great vehicle regardless
     
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  4. racer

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    Yes I love it.
    One thing that I didn’t think about before taking it home is that the acceleration is always there, so you can make lightning quick dips in and out of lanes and stuff while at speed that you’d ordinarily not have the power to speed up in time for. Safely, of course.
     
  5. Where Eagles Dare

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    Pretty sure I'm going to be getting one of these. Like the exterior look, size, and milage. Maybe it's just a function of EV engines, but who really gives a fuck about 0-60 at 3.xs? Feels like ppl needing lifted trucks w/ little dicks. Just let me drive like a normal ICE engine and we'll be good. Just looked up my old 2008 IS 250 and it's 200HP and 0-60 in 7s. Wife's '13 Lexus RX is like 7.5. Both of those are plenty fast enough.
     
  6. bro

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    what EVs, if any, are aiming to become the vehicle for 4x4 roads requiring high clearance or AWD? outside of 4x4 electric hybrid Jeep, are any of these EVs including things like AWD?
     
  7. Tommy Jefferson

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    Most EVs can come as AWD, though because of the low clearance and weight they are still poor for off roading.

    What you’re looking for is probably the Rivian R1T followed by the Hummer or maybe the F-150/Silverado
     
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  8. racer

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    There are some recent off-road EV YouTube tests, mainly F150 Ave Rivian iirc
     
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  9. The Guglia

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    My Volvo C40 has AWD and something called “off road” mode.
     
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  10. racer

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    I don’t peel off the line or anything, usually. It’s super nice to just effortlessly get to speed from a stop light or get on the interstate/freeway without worrying as much about who is coming up where, and things of that nature. I’ll take off from a light at a reasonable rate, like 1/3 pedal, and have gapped the rest of the light by a mile without feeling like I was zooming. Or the occasional dumb-dumb in the wrong lane to make the turn speed up.
     
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  11. AptosDuck

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    VW acquired Scout a few years ago and is aiming to revitalize the brand with a focus on EV offroaders. Only concept cars at this point, nothing in the pipeline for a few years
     
  12. racer

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    Full disclosure I have not actually watched these











     
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  13. AptosDuck

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    If you reserve through VW directly you'll pay MSRP but have to wait several months for your car. If you don't want to wait and are OK with possibly paying $5-10k over MSRP, you can probably find one through local dealers. They do get some unreserved cars, and some folks get tired of waiting (or order multiple cars and just get the first one that arrives) and cancel their orders.

    The big knock on the ID.4 last year was the glitchy software/infotainment. That's largely been solved by their software version 3.1.0, available in all the cars now coming off the line. And once Chattanooga starts pumping them out later this summer, wait times should drop.
     
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  14. racer

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    Oh neat the F150L Pro that I test drove dropped to +18k
     
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  16. bro

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    a subaru electric that can go off road? Sign me up
     
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  18. Where Eagles Dare

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    I've seen some ppl online say 2-6 months.

    I don't really want a car until next year, so might wait until late fall to put down a reservation. I'd like to test drive one as I've never driven an electric
     
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  19. bigred77

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    if I had a pony
    I'd ride him on my boat
    And we could all together
    Go out on the ocean
    Me upon my pony on my boat
     
  20. racer

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    I was hoping the equinox EV would be about the size and shape of the gas equinox. Mainly for adoption purposes. There are a gazillion of those on the road and would make for a super easy transition vehicle. That looks more like the trailblazer (?).
     
  21. Mayonegg

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    Can anyone tell me what the anticipated cargo space of this Equinox EV will be?

    Other ID.4 question: is that glass roof…weird? It seems weird. Like why would I want that if I live in a hot climate? Also is there anyway to put a roof rack on a vehicle like that? Sorry for the n00b questions, I’m a certified n00b.
     
  22. Mayonegg

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    Are most EV SUVs super low to the ground? And if so, why? #noob
     
  23. racer

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    Aerodynamics and I assume weight/COG is somewhat of a factor.


    I have all glass roof. It’s pretty cool for views. At least on my Mach-E I have substantial enough side rails for mounting. Not sure about other manufacturers. Owners in Florida, Arizona, and the like have reported that the tint is sufficient to control heat. Others darken it or get a retractable covers. I think Hyundai and Kia are included an integrated retractable cloth cover on their premium trims that feature the full glass.
     
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  24. Upton^2

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    probably because theyre heavier
     
  25. racer

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    Plus the percentage of people who drive SUVs in any sort of actual clearance situation is very low.
     
  26. AptosDuck

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    I'm a big fan of the glass roof. It's tinted, and if you don't want it you can close it and have a dark and solid roof. I closed it the second day I had the car, didn't like it, and haven't closed it since except for demonstrative purposes. And VW does make a roof rack for it.

    If you don't want the glass roof, you can get the ID.4 Pro instead of the Pro S. The Pro has a solid roof, no glass. But it's a base model and doesn't have some nice things you might want.

    https://carbuzz.com/compare/volkswagen-id-4-pro-vs-pro-s
     
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  27. Russellin4885

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    Been watching a lot of different F150 and Rivian videos lately, some of them towing. I was pretty surprised how minimal extra weight effected battery range compared to aerodynamics.
     
  28. Name P. Redacted

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    Big ole battery is under the car and takes up space
     
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  29. racer

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    Also a good point. Most of the SUV/Crossover models coming out now use the skateboard style platform where it’s basically flat 8-10” battery pack that’s the entire underside of the car. The trucks and I think a few non-Tesla models that predate about 2021 have more chunky/boxy battery set ups.
     
  30. bwi2

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    Those things are also heavy as shit which I imagine makes lift a greater engineering problem
     
  31. racer

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    For reference, an extended range AWR Mach-e is rolling about 5,000lb 117” wheelbase, 63.5” track width.
    A comparably sized and equipped Escape is about 3,600, 106”, 62”

    A fully loaded Explorer is about 5,000, 119”, 67”.
     
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  32. Where Eagles Dare

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    How bad do you run through tires on an EV due to the extra weight?
     
  33. Kylebw1

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    faster than ice but they’re working on it
     
  34. afb

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    Depends on how you drive. Lot of people go through them pretty fast also bc of how often you accelerate bc the instant acceleration eats at them faster than ICE vehicle.

    I just had my first rotation at 8500 miles and the guy said they’re wearing like normal tires and probably don’t need another rotation til 20k
     
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  35. racer

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    I’m approaching 30k with the stock tires tracking for about 50k. All Season Michelin Primacy Tour.

    Pirelli has a new P-Zero for EVs I’m excited about.
     
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  36. AptosDuck

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    Common assumption is that tires will wear more on an EV due to extra weight and instantaneous torque and need to be replaced more often, but brakes will wear less due to regenerative braking and need to be replaced less often. ID.4 actually has two main drive modes, D and B, where D replicates the feel of ICE driving with easy coasting when you lift off the "gas" pedal, and B immediately engages regen braking so you do a soft brake when you lift off the gas. I switched to B mode about a week in and haven't gone back; I rarely use the brake pedal in traffic now.
     
  37. orangebl00d

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    AWD Model 3 owner and had to replace first set around 22k, but I think a lot of it was me joyriding and having fun with the acceleration. approaching about 28k miles on newer set which I've been much easier on
     
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  38. racer

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    What was the OEM vs your replacement? I saw at one point they had a custom Goodyear.
     
  39. orangebl00d

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    Michelin primacy MXM4 when I bought it and that’s what I replaced them with. I did get a decent warranty claim toward new set since it was 20k replacement
     
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  40. pratyk

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    I have the Michelin Cross Climate 2 (All season) on my Rav4 Prime that runs on EV about 80% of the time - The OEMs got about 10 miles of use before I got these installed. 15k miles and the tread is pretty intact - the only annoyance is pebbles and gravel getting stuck if I drive in gravel or off-road.

    https://www.tirerack.com/tires/michelin-crossclimate2
     
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  41. PAHokie

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    Just kinda dawned on me that 2023 Lightning orders were expected to open up in July and we are almost to the end of July. Can’t wait to see when I’ll be disappointed again.
     
  42. pianoman

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    Drove a Lightning today. My buddy’s dealership got one in so we took it out for a test drive. Definitely getting one after that drive and he says I’m third in line at their dealership and they got four allocated last year so I should be getting one when orders open up.
     
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  43. racer

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    I mean, there are lubricated parts on these things. Nobody is so dumb as to go request an engine oil change. Can’t be.
     
  44. buy_dont_lease

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  45. afb

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    more news will come out with clarification but im pretty sure the EV tax credits made it through the new IRA bill

    think it gets rid of that 250,000 vehicle cap, has to be made in USA, has to be under $80k if it's a truck or suv and under $55k if it's a car

    would be $7500 (up to that depending on your taxes owed) and I think is supposed to be at time of sale

    and it does not start until 2023
     
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    I think the big thing is a rule requiring X% (I’ve seen 40%) of battery materials need to be sourced from the US to be eligible for the credit.
     
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  48. racer

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    Well, it was nice to think about.


    And idiots in the comments yelling tax credit, like it’s a wash. The tax credit isn’t new. It was currently factored into the net cost.
     
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  49. PAHokie

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    If that kicks the Lariat out of the tax credit then I don’t think I buy one. Ugh.

    edit: now XLT ER is over $80k. That’s not gonna work.
     
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