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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Rumpus StillStiff, Jun 28, 2016.
Let's do away with almost all prisons then
If you’re interested, Cato Institute tends to be a libertarian thought leader. Here is some of their work on mass incarceration.
no gods no masters all cops are bastards
He never had the same sort of bona fides as Ron tbh
One of my biggest bitches about libertarianism is it clearly doesn't work in healthcare even a little. Profit motive doesn't make healthcare better. It makes specialization way more lucrative and perhaps better for very wealthy people or people with amazing insurance (and even then, woof), but your average person has an objectively worse healthcare situation in the United States than in its peer countries front to back. And that's all because of profit motive.
It's a little slippery for providers as well. What incentive do they have to heal you other than those imposed by the government
Deregulation of utilities has also been proven to maximize good for consumers.
Well, there's the hippocratic oath. That overall doesn't concern me as much unless we're talking about prescribing medication. There's a pretty obvious history of opiate addiction related to over prescription of that stuff but a lot of that was also lies by the drug companies on side effects.
If you have an insurance company that is really the only thing keeping you from bankruptcy and it's incentivized to not pay your medical bills that's a bad system.
Is this what they mean when they say make America great again?
It pairs very well with the bedrock libertarian belief in eliminating age of consent laws
I think LPNH has been on a bad trip or maybe just shrooms.
Possibly, but that tweet is perfectly in line with libertarianism. It’s exactly what they stand for.
Do you remember Gary Johnson getting booed in 2016 (I think) for saying that people should be required to wear seat belts? Your posts in here have been extremely naive with how you think things are and where they actually are.
It was for supporting the existence of driver's licenses
Libertarianism works great as a theory as long as you don't think too hard about it and ignore the history of humans.
Shit. Now I’m gonna have to get a posting license to post on my own damn computer
And have the money to be relatively immune to the consequences of politics
"You know I'd like to see some competency exhibited before they drive..."
Though he may have been booed for being in favor of drivers licenses, he still won the nomination which tells you something about the vocal minority versus where the median voter was.
Centralization also allows the incompetent to benefit from those with competence. There’s a reason why humans form societies. It isn’t bad and you can still be an individual in a group.
Libertarianism means saying a bunch of dumb shit to rationalize privatizing and deregulating as many things as possible so rich people can exploit the average person with no political capital.
amash votes better than the average republican so i give him the slightest bit of credit for that but his ideology as a whole is bonkers
Astrology for middle age white men and all pedophiles.
Why are some of you so hung up on privatization as if that is a holy grail of libertarianism? There are things I don’t want the government to do or mandate but that isn’t the same as wanting things privatized.
One example of failure of a centralized system that could have done better by allowing a decentralized response for testing: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...et-the-table-for-coronavirus-testing-debacle/
Because that’s the end goal for moneyed “Libertarianiasm”.
They’re looking for opportunities to exploit untapped industries for profit or eliminate government competition because they don’t have to be profitable...and I think there are some things where profit motive shouldn’t be involved because human rights are at stake.
I don’t care about some rationalization about centralization vs decentralization. It’s all simply word salad for moneyed interests to rationalize exploiting people for profit.
I’m not sure how anyone can still believe in this garbage after our COVID response was a massive failure that cost us (officially) 600k American lives (unofficially) that number is probably a bit larger. Its nonsense and it’s selfish Assholes trying everything not to pay taxes.
Oddly enough the same fucking people don’t give a shit about cops murdering minorities which should be a huge problem for them. Kinda gives the game away
I wouldn’t judge the success or failure of the federal government accomplishing a task based on the most corrupt moronic president in our history running the show at the time.
Yeah that's the end result of tearing down government run entities. You get worse versions that are privately run for profit
While Trump was a complete moron, that I’m sure got in the way of plenty of times, the CDC completely fucking up creating their own test instead of using what had been developed elsewhere didn’t need Trump to screw things up. The FDA not allowing private companies to develop and use tests while the CDC was screwing their test up was also a special level of incompetence.
Massive cuts to science and medicine in Trump budget
You would be better served to not assume bad faith from anybody that does not view the world similarly. Generally speaking, Democrats want to take experts in a field and put them in charge of a solution. Libertarians view the world more as the world would be better served to have a lot of people working on ideas and testing what works best. That may be vague, but it is as simple as I can make a statement on broad worldviews.
Do you know the difference between a proposed budget and a budget?
If you're trying to hand it to Trump on his covid response, while blaming the CDC, it's just widely uniformed or worse. Ignoring his meddling in everything at the CDC from altering guidelines, to trying to change the way numbers were reported to pulling CDC staff out of Wuhan like a year before the outbreak to any other number of things where he tried to tear down the CDC... like how is this your conclusion if it's not fueled by ideology
My god there’s still a libertarian on this board in 2021
who made all the appointments at the CDC that put all those inept actors in that position, or are we no longer the party of personal responsibility
The CDC has been fucked since Nixon turned it from being apolitical
Like yes it's no surprise Trump was sabotaging any work the CDC did so his friends could make a buck because that's like all he did for four years
Weird interpretation of me acknowledging Trump was a moron that likely got in the way many times and then specifically mentioning some fuck ups that were CDC and FDA specific. Those were ideology specific issues (government control of test design and approval) that had nothing to do with Trump. Their fuck ups put us about a month behind on testing.
Then yes, Trump was a complete idiot that discouraged testing and a whole matter of other steps for containment.
It is 2021 and there are still people as closed minded as you on this board.
But those things don't happen in a vacuum. The CDC head is selected and guided by Trump. Funding, meddling, and general guidance have a ripple effect. You're using it to say "look at this... stupid government can't do anything right."
Do you think Redfield was making tests? There are appointees at the top but the employee base doesn’t just change every 4-8 years. The processes and decision making aren’t revamped with every new President.
I’m not saying the CDC should be eliminated or anything but simple things like designing tests would be better as open sourced than closed source needing to come from the CDC. That is a difference between a libertarian response and a Democrat/Republican response. I mean fuck, we had numerous other countries we could have taken test specs from and didn’t (that could be more likely a Trump issue). But getting behind on testing was a major issue.
I don't know I find the argument of no taxes and free reign to engage in pedophilia more enticing TBQH
It's 2021 and people with "Who is John Galt?" bumper stickers are still massive cuntholes.