Mass shooting thread

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  1. theriner69er

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    People can change their minds. They just don't change their minds if they are scolded, told they are idiots, shamed, etc.

    It's amazing, honestly, that smart people try to change opinions via methods that are proven to not change people's opinions (and actually have the exact opposite effect). Vaccination debates are the absolute best example of this, but it applies to almost every contentious topic.

    ha ha lol !!
     
  2. Redav

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    Shaming definitely works and it has throughout time
     
  3. Redav

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    That post basically implies it does because you're asking people to stop doing it because you don't like it. Instead of changing your behavior you want people to stop doing it. Social interaction doesn't work that way.
     
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  4. theriner69er

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    Correction: I'm asking people to stop doing it because it doesn't work
     
  5. Redav

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    That's not why
     
  6. theriner69er

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    So you think that approach works? It's an effective way to change someone's opinion?

    You fucking idiot, I don't know if you're really this dumb or if you don't understand simple English, but you are wrong. Look at this guy.....he has no fucking clue what he's talking about. How does anyone take you seriously, ever? Maybe, for a change of pace, shut your mouth and open your ears: you are incorrect here. Stop thinking you are smarter than everyone else, or anyone else.
     
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  7. Redav

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    Yes shaming works. It's been studied.
     
  8. VaxRule

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    Talk to anyone that has quit smoking. Shame is a huge factor in why they stopped.
     
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  9. theriner69er

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    Yea, it doesn't though. It's been studied. It more often drives people deeper into their beliefs as opposed to changing their opinions. It causes people to go find information or people who reinforce their opinions, not to change them.
     
  10. Redav

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    Nope. Been studied. It works
     
  11. theriner69er

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    Interesting example, and I know as a doctor you trust the science and the experts. they talk about smoking in this article as well

    https://lifehacker.com/does-shaming-work-1845851848
     
  12. theriner69er

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    Interesting article that might be worth your time
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/longing-nostalgia/201705/why-shaming-doesnt-work

    Or this one.
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/4aydmq/does-shaming-work-against-bad-pandemic-behavior

    They all do tend to agree that shaming does work....sort of. If someone close to you uses shame, it can be effective, though harmful emotionally in the long run. However, they all agree that shaming via twitter or message boards, to faceless people you have no actual relationship with, is not only ineffective, but will elicit the exact opposite response.

    So go ahead and shame your mom and your sister. That might work (and emotionally scar them). But beyond that, your diligent work in shaming large swaths of people you don't actually know about wearing a mask or buying guns is ultimately leading to more people not wearing masks and buying guns.
     
  13. IV

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    I try to convince people with kindness first but then I got so angry this I shame them to cause the emotional scarring


    Riner analyze it
     
  14. VaxRule

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  15. theriner69er

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    It makes you feel good. It makes you feel superior, and reinforces how right you are. And god forbid you have some like-minded online friends who jump in and support you, that just multiples those feelings. You are good. You are righteous.
     
  16. theriner69er

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    Let's suppose you are correct, and shame works to change behavior. Isn't the key here, as shown by these studies, that people need to feel shame?

    So, again, assuming you are right, is your behavior eliciting a feeling of shame? Is tweeting in all caps, or calling strangers online idiots going to make your intended audience feel shame? Do you think the fucktard in rural Alabama sucking down horse paste feels SHAME because of what you post about her?

    That's why parents shaming their children is both effective and so harmful, right? And why me shaming you won't have nearly the same effect, or the exact opposite effect.
     
  17. Beeds07

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    How much shaming is it going to take to get you guys to stop responding to him?
     
  18. CaneKnight

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    This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    He's still not as bad as that blood thirsty imperialist European tho....
     
  19. El Tiburon

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    Maybe we should try shoving it down his throat.
     
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  20. theriner69er

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  21. theriner69er

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  22. fucktx

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    Bullying definitely works
     
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  23. El Tiburon

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    Maybe we should try adding a pink stripe to an American flag to show our support gun control AND America!
     
  24. Beeds07

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    What he should do is play Russian Roulette to show his love for guns…and use an full clip
     
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  25. IV

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    I am right though
     
  26. theriner69er

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    magazine?
     
  27. fucktx

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    Two days two meltdowns from riner
     
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    This quote applies to you and a few other people on this board who are too dense to fucking get it
     
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  29. theriner69er

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    Aside from the fact that russian roulette is played with a revolver, right? The idea being there is 1 bullet, and you don't know where in the cylinder it is. If you play that game with any gun that has a magazine (or clip, as you gangstas say), you will lose every time.

    (here is where you act like you knew that and say ha ha I know, that's why I wanted you to do it! and everyone has a good laugh)
     
  30. jorge

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    insert george of the jungle gif
     
  31. VaxRule

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    Is this a bit? Are you doing a bit?
     
  32. El Tiburon

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    I’m going to put together a new t-shirt with the graphic design help of Nandoor the Relentless. It will feature a bald eagle nailed to a cross made from AR-15s, and he’ll have a throbbing erection. Atop the cross is an American flag. Standing before this spectacle will be a Troop sweating profusely like the superhero in the meme and the caption will say, “Stand for the flag or knee for the cross, Patriot?!?!”
     
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  33. theriner69er

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    uh no. There is a difference between you shaming me, and me feeling shame. Right?

    You think - hey, shame changes behavior, so bada boom bada bing, if I just shame people I disagree with, that must be a viable way to change behaviors!

    But that's not true, is it? Because you miss the essential part: the person you are shaming has to feel shame. Me shaming you for being a bad doctor will NEVER work because a) you don't think you are a bad doctor, so instead of feeling shame you'd find ways to support the idea that I'm wrong and b) I'm not close enough to you personally for it to matter.
     
  34. Redav

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    Had to shift the goalposts after I was obviously wrong
     
  35. theriner69er

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    No shift. people are providing evidence that does not counter what I've said. We are talking about how masses over social media try to exact changes in behavior. I said scolding, insulting, and shaming them does not work, and only serves to make them dig their heels in deeper, find reasons why they are right and you are wrong.

    Evidence is provided that people who feel shame will change their opinions and behaviors.

    See how those 2 things, while similar and related, are not the same? The anti-vax gun nuts DO NOT feel shame because of your social media post. Now if their uncle or parent, who they admire, says they are disappointed in them, that might do it. that would elicit actual shame. But your tweet, saying they are killing grandma, doesn't make those people feel any shame.

     
  36. Tobias

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    posting "ha ha lol" shows how decidedly calm and not unhinged i am ha ha lol!
     
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  37. theriner69er

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    I posted those just for you!

    Incidentally, did you forget that you made this same post yesterday??

     
  38. Tobias

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    no i remember making that post and appreciated your continued meltdown proving how undeniably correct i was about your insanity
     
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  40. theriner69er

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    Did you find it interesting that after you posted "all the lols and exclamation points and hahas ....:" I concluded my next post with "ha ha lol !!" ?? Almost as if it were on purpose?
     
  41. fucktx

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    God damn dude shut the fuck up
     
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  42. theriner69er

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    what? Is the simpleton talking??
     
  43. VaxRule

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    That’s a shame, because it kind of works as a bit.
     
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  45. Tarpon Nole

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    Mobile not letting me post but there's a mass shooting in St Louis along with a car crash into train
     
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    Seeing on unverified accounts that a reported 12 have been shot.
     
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  49. theriner69er

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    Instead of being the snarky bitch you usually are, why don't you address the issue? Or....is this your 4D way of doing a bit??

    a) shaming only works if the person you are shaming actually feels shame b) shaming almost always also comes with emotional damage c) shaming only really works to change behavior if the person being shamed respects the person doing the shaming d) when you try to shame someone who does not respect you (or even know you), it typically has the opposite of the intended effect and pushes them further into their beliefs and causes them to find reasons why they are right and you are wrong

    Shaming vaccine sceptics or morons eating horse paste from behind your keyboard does not fucking work, and if you are the type of person to use shame as a legitimate tool to change behavior, you are probably an asshole who is more concerned about broadcasting how right you are than actually changing behaviors.

    There is no way you are a legitimate fucking doctor if you support the idea of shaming people into compliance. (sorry if that makes you feel any shame)
     
  50. fucktx

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    3 days in a row
     
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