Mass shooting thread

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  1. AIOLICOCK

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    I'm not opposed to criminal negligence existing as a law. But the idea that you're responsible for anything anyone else does with your gun, end of story. Is ridiculous.
     
  2. Redav

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    Lol it isn't like someone borrowed your car and ran into a school bus. It's a fucking gun. If you can't be responsible with it then don't buy it.

    Look if I buy a tank and someone blows up your house with it then that's on you.
     
  3. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Actually you are responsible for anything anyone does with your gun. If someone steals it and you don’t report it stolen and they use it in a crime then the burden of proof is on you because that serial number is yours. As far as kids, yes it’s the gun owners responsibility to keep it out of the reach of children the same as alcohol or anything else. If a kid gets into a bottle of vodka left out and gets alcohol poisoning, the parent is negligent and usually charged. Same as if they bought it for the kid.
     
  4. AIOLICOCK

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    Ummmm...no? Shit, a massive number of guns reported stolen don't even have documented serial numbers associated with them.
     
  5. dblplay1212

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    Why are you so opposed to being held responsible for your dangerous weapon? You're a responsible gun owner that keeps his guns locked away, right?
     
  6. Tobias

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    ale is by all metrics and observation the worst poster on this site
     
  7. dblplay1212

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    I kinda get the 2a nuts that want to play GI Joe so they use 2a to make that possible. I think its incredibly selfish but I get it. The "I'm going to own 20 guns but how dare you hold me accountable for them" guy are just incredibly gross.
     
  8. CaneKnight

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    TMW you don't realize you sound exactly like your political enemies. We've seen this happen to another poster on here....
     
  9. AIOLICOCK

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    Lets say, hypothetically, I'm not. How long should I go to jail for the crime of not locking my guns up?

    By the way, I'm assuming I can leave all the 80% lowers and complete uppers laying around I want to right?

    What if I accidentally leave a milled lower laying out? What are we looking at? 5? 10 years?

    What if the modular chassis falls out of my p320 and I can't find it? Death penalty?
     
  10. Tobias

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    at least TH's de-evolution was based on blind loyalty to his racist family. ale just wants to play pew pew pew billy badass soldier kid deaths be damned.
     
  11. dome foam

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    Asking all the hard questions.
     
  12. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Again, if you just kept them locked up you don’t have to worry about them getting stolen either.
     
  13. blotter

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    why are you acting like gun storage laws aren't already a thing?
     
  14. dblplay1212

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    Like with anything else, there should be levels to it. How reckless you were should be a factor. If you had 20 guns laying around or some in an unlocked car and someone took one to commit a murder, yea you should go away for a while. If you did everything right, then shit happens and I wouldn't want to see that person held responsible.

    This is so cringey.
     
  15. AIOLICOCK

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    Why are you acting like I didn't concede criminal negligence is a thing. As a matter of fact, I've stated multiple times now that my issue is with the idea that you are responsible for anything other people do with your firearm. Yet, everyone keeps reframing the discussion. Odd.
     
  16. AIOLICOCK

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    This is literally what I've been advocating for this entire fucking discussion. Welcome to my side of the argument.
     
  17. Nashville Knight

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    This dad of the year dropped his kid and baby momma off at the hospital and never returned. His kid died a few days later.

    https://www.wkrn.com/news/its-very-...ntable-shooting-of-east-nashville-2-year-old/

    the child’s mother told Metro police that the boy’s father put his gun on a bed and that the toddler picked it up and fired it, striking himself in the head.

    Apparently, this is not the first time Thorpe has been in trouble with his gun. He is also wanted on an outstanding aggravated assault warrant for pointing a gun at a car with his little boy and his mother inside of it just last June.
     
  18. ~ taylor ~

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    He's a fucking imbecile
     
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  19. AIOLICOCK

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    Btw, I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's kind of an important discussion when talking about sending people to jail for being negligent with firearms.
     
  20. CaneKnight

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    You sound like a fucking child
     
  21. fucktx

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    Ale is turning into watson
     
  22. blotter

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    you're getting super defensive. I was responding to your wild hypotheticals of 10 years for a "milled lower laying out".. there are storage laws on the books in a handful of states if you're interested in finding answers to those questions
     
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  23. CaneKnight

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    Yep
     
  24. Tobias

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    ar stands for assault rifle
     
  25. timo

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    Yes, but what if I, a fully developed adult, choose to live a lifestyle with a collection of random gun parts strewn about?
     
  26. Truman

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    Let's restart from here, and start fresh and have a good faith discussion.

    Are you in the The camp of a gun is a tool like a hammer or a shovel. If so then we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree if not what is your position on the following questions


    1. Do you feel there are a set of responsibilities that come with gun ownership?
    2. Do you believe those responsibilities end when your gun is in possession of someone else?
     
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  27. dblplay1212

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    Nobody is advocating to have a gun owner held responsible if they had their gun stores safely.
     
  28. AIOLICOCK

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    1) obviously

    2) You still have a responsibility to observe the rules of safe gun ownership. But you can't be held responsible for those who don't observe those rules. Or those who choose to commit crimes.
     
  29. electronic

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    We need to limit the number of bullets in a clip.
     
  30. Prospector

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    Um an AG needs permission to investigate something? Very cool, didn't know that's how our system operates. Explains a bunch tho
     
  31. AIOLICOCK

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    Got it. So you're allowed to have a gun, just as long as you can't access it quickly in the case of an emergency. Makes sense.
     
  32. dblplay1212

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    You have unlocked guns laying around your house?
     
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  33. El Tiburon

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    Yeah, but he hides them in the toy box for when kids come over.
     
  34. AIOLICOCK

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    No, I keep my edc in a safe that I carry everywhere I go.
     
  35. dblplay1212

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    Is edc a gun?
     
  36. fucktx

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    Too much texas in ale now
     
  37. Emma

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    Every day carry
     
  38. Prospector

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    Former neighbor previously contacted child services regarding Michigan shooter and parents

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    Information about the Oxford High School shooter in Michigan continues to surface as conversations about gun violence in schools are in high gear across the country, with experts, parents, school faculty and lawmakers alike discussing ways this shooting and others could’ve been avoided. However, daily reports on 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley seem to prove that multiple warning signs that could have prevented the shooting were ignored.

    In addition to law enforcement officials finding evidence that Crumbley both planned the attack and purposefully set out to kill students, reports indicate that a previous neighbor of Crumbley’s warned child abuse authorities about his parents.

    Identified as Kayla LeMieux, the family’s former neighbor told the Detroit Free Press, that concern of the parent’s actions and boy’s wellbeing led her to make an anonymous complaint to the state’s Children’s Protective Services (CPS) agency. She shared that the parents were “leaving Ethan at home while they went out drinking.” At the time of the complaint, Ethan Crumbley was eight or nine years old.
    “When they were gone, he would come knock on our door,” LeMieux said. “They didn’t leave him with a phone.” She noted that Crumbley would use her phone to call his parents.

    Because CPS complaints are confidential, it is unclear if CPS ever did anything about LeMieux’s complaint. LeMieux noted that she had worked with Jennifer Crumbley in 2012 and considered her a friend until her concerns about Ethan grew.

    She even shared a Facebook conversation with the Detroit Free Press from 2015 in which she spoke to the Crumbley parents about leaving their son alone while they go out to drink at bars. The conversation has not been made public.

    Both Jennifer and James Crumbley were charged with involuntary manslaughter over their son’s shooting at Oxford High School Friday for acting “far beyond negligence,” Oakland County prosecutor Karen McDonald said.

    The gun used in the attack was purchased by Crumbley’s father four days beforehand, on Nov. 26, the Associated Press reported. In addition to being “freely available,” McDonald noted that Ethan Crumbley accompanied his father to purchase the gun, which social media posts by the parents referred to as his “Christmas present.”

    After charges were announced against the parents Friday, reports indicated that they attempted to make a run for it.

    According to the Detroit Free Press, Detroit Police Chief James White had expected the couple to run and prepared his police officers to get ready.

    "We literally talked about the possibility of Mr. and Mrs. Crumbley in the Oxford incident and the two of them actually being in our city," White told the news outlet on Sunday. "We actually debriefed that and talked about our metro division and our resources and what we would have in place should that happen. So, we weren't surprised."

    "This is policing. Anything could happen," White added. "We talked about our protocols. We talk about active shooters, and what we have in the field for active shooters should an active shooter happen. So we weren't surprised. We were prepared."

    Officials tracked the couple down early Saturday after a manhunt was launched. All three of the Crumbleys are now in jail and are not allowed to have any contact with one another, Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard said Saturday.

    “These two individuals could have stopped it, and they had every reason to know that he was dangerous and they gave him a weapon, and they didn’t secure it, and they allowed him free access to it,” McDonald said during Saturday’s hearing.

    After bringing a gun to school, Crumbley opened fire on Nov. 30, killing our peers and injuring at least seven others, including a teacher.

    As a high school sophomore being tried as an adult, Crumbley faces one count of terrorism causing death, four counts of first-degree murder, seven counts of assault with intent to murder, and 12 counts of possession of a firearm in commitment of a felony. If convicted, he faces life in prison. He and his parents have all pleaded not guilty at this time.
     
  39. duc15

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    Local school closed today due to threats
     
  40. CaneKnight

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    Who the fuck needs to carry a gun at all times unless you're literally partaking in criminal activity daily??? WTF is wrong with people

    How is any of this shit normalized or ok????
     
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  41. Tobias

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    lol ale thought he was so cool and badass for dropping edc on the rest of us non deranged folk

    such an absolute loser
     
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  42. electronic

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    If you carry a gun everywhere you go and aren’t an active duty soldier in a war zone or an on-duty police officer, you’re a huge fucking dork.
     
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  43. CaneKnight

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    If I hear EDC the only thing that comes to mind is doing drugs and dancing in an open field
     
  44. seanofthedead86

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    Saw some fat dude on the beach in khaki shorts and a tucked in t-shirt with a pistol on his belt. Motherfuckers gut was so big with short arms I'm not sure he could have grabbed the damn thing if needed.
     
  45. AIOLICOCK

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    What hornets game do you want to hit up this year?
     
  46. Tobias

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    none with a gun nut freak like you
     
  47. CaneKnight

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    The man is 100% deranged and I bet he lives in some well off neighborhood too where the worst thing that happens is kids playing ding dong ditch.

    2A people desperately wanting to live out some cowboy fantasy so they can murder people amuse the shit out of me. These losers would’ve been the first mother fuckers dead in the streets back in those days. They ain’t got the heart for that kind of life. Soft fucks

    None these mother fuckers actually want to live in a place where you need a gun every where you go. Straight up fucking bitch ass losers.
     
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  48. Barves2125

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    Ale absolutely carries a MOLLE bag everywhere he goes.
     
  49. AIOLICOCK

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    Harsh, but fair.
     
  50. prerecordedlive

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    TIL Ale isn’t watson. What the fuck?