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Discussion in 'TV Board' started by LKRFN88jp, May 13, 2015.
Sounds like a you problem
nah, we've been over this for years
This fucking show.
So the end - had we send Australian Kevin before? I know the old guy was his dad but what happened to his dad in earlier seasons? I don't remember and don't want to read through a bunch of old synopsis to find when his character was relevant.
I remember back in season one that his dad was in a old folks home/mental institution. His father was the police chief in NY. But I'm not entirely sure when his dad moved to Australia (In the episode "assassin". I remember Kevin seeing his father on the TV screen).
I have a feeling something happens to Kevin down the line. I know we don't have all the pieces. But it's pretty clear that the four ladies searching for Kevin and the ending of episode one when Nora/Sarah is asked whether or not she knows him.
If my memory is correct. Kevin's dad knows about Kevin's "sleep walking". Maybe his old man is the key to all of this?
Maybe Nora actually goes to the other place in search of her family and is trying to forget everyone that she left behind?
i really don't have the words for the perfect strangers aspect to this episode. just equally brilliant and hilarious and intriguing all at the same time.
the Australia shit is just way to early to call.
the women could be in present day, looking for kevin sr.
it could be set sometime in the future, with the women looking for kevin after the book is published.
there could be some sort of time travel component, which could explain the departure itself. women come back from the future to present day to find kevin to prevent whatever is going to happen to him.
great, great episode. god i love this show and i have no idea why.
It's unlike any other show I've ever seen.
Carrie Coon was fucking brilliant in that episode.
Saw this on Reddit, thought it was interesting. What if the scene with Nora from the end of this season's first ep wasn't from the future, but after she experienced a substantial amount of radiation.
Just rewatched and the weather man says the 7th anniversary of October 14th. Still no idea what it means but you're right it's too early to call.
Would explain why the old lady who brings up Kevin looks to be a similar age as she is in the last scene of episode 2.
at Grace's story
am i the only one who saw the first pic of grace and thought that was the lady from the opening scene?
This Scott Glenn stuff is weird even for this show
No. I thought the same.
I feel like that story could've been done as a parallel while also progressing other story lines and not the entire ep
she share's her last name with thomas playford, the preacher from adelaide who brought millerism to australia. the people in the opening scene were millerites, so it looks like there's at least some sort of connection.
what do y'all make of kevin sr not mentioning that he spoke to jr in the hotel room? forgot? didn't think it was real?
I think he forgot in his drug induced haze. When he talked to Kevin through the TV he mentioned being on drugs, and he mentioned not being able to remember 2 weeks in his monologue last night. Sepinwall discusses this a bit in his review.
Will Kevin Sr ask Kevin Jr to go find Christopher Sunday in the afterlife and try to learn the song?
I was so lost in this episode.
If the last episode isn't entitled The Book of Kevelation, I'm going to be disappointed
da fuck is the torrance at
This fucking show.
Carrie Coon and Justin Theroux were absolutely incredible.
I previously said this show is my Patti.
This season i feel like a rape victim in love with my attacker.
nearly every episode.
show has just gone off the rails weird but it's still my jam.
4 episodes left
And don't even attempt to get high and watch it. I rewatched it this morning and it's like I didn't retain anything at all from last night. Damn it Kevin's character is incredible.
Last night was the best episode of the season and one of the best the show has done so far. The payoff at the end. Damn.
What's everyone make of the baby? There's some pretty clear symbolism there with Nora being more selfish than motherly, but I wonder how it all ties in.
So the guy that killed himself in e3 via fire and Nora in e4 gave different answers whether to kill a baby to eradicate cancer and both got denied. Gender? Something else? Fuck me I'm not smart enough to keep up? show so much
Maybe their is no right answer to the question.
I completely forgot about that.
Good post from reddit on this topic:
This question was really only designed to do one thing: test if the respondent believes in a pragmatic moral order or believes there is a moral code that transcends reason.
The question of killing a baby to save a million people is a question if utilitarian philosophy (the ends justifies the means) vs deontological philosophy (good must be good without qualification). The scientists may have used it as a diagnostic tool to pre-screen suicidal people from using the machine.
The scientists asked Nora and the suicidal man in the desert the same question, both answered differently, and both were denied. This makes sense if the scientists are looking for a Kantian response. A Kantian response fits Kant's maxim that "Nothing in the world—indeed nothing even beyond the world—can possibly be conceived which could be called good without qualification except a good will."
Without qualification. Good will follows a moral law, ie, Kant's categorical imperitive: Don't do something to one person unless you are willing to have it happen to everyone. Killing a baby to cure cancer might fit this distinction, but that isn't the way Nora answered it. Nora answered it as a nihilist - "babies die every day, what's one more?" and utilitarian - "and I get to cure cancer? Of course I nod." She looked entirely at the consequences and weighed them. She never asked if the action was justified in and of itself, never looked at the consequences for the baby, or the family. She saw the child as a tool.
When she asks if it's her children, the scientists give her a hint: it shouldn't matter if it's your children. She replies aggressively ("If you want an answer to your fucking question, it matters"), paving the path to doom before she even finishes. If she were in line with Kant's categorical imperative, the correct response would be "It would be terrible to have my child killed to cure cancer, I wouldn't want to live in that world." She said the opposite.
So, the next question is: Why would the scientists care?
At one point they're concerned if Nora would even go through with it. If they believed she was compelled by a sense of moral duty to her children and family, they might see it as more likely that she would. If they see her as pragmatic, then ultimately, she is probably unlikely to make the leap of faith required for the machine.
Nihilistic and pragmatic is a combination that speaks to suicidal tendencies, an unconscious desire, like Kevin's, to escape her life. The scientists, if they were so concerned with ethics, may have had their own ethical and moral obligations against allowing someone in that state of mind to make a decision that is ultimately an end of life on this earth.
The self-immolating man in the suit said the opposite - but we have no idea what his reasoning was. If his logic was based on looking at the consequences ("I couldn't live with the guilt," for example) rather than a duty to moral action, it's likely they would have turned him down, too, for what it said about his (suicidal) state of mind. And, clearly, they would have been right.
TLDR: It's likely the tool was a psychiatric diagnostic tool to see if the answers revealed psychological issues that could make it unethical to put them into the machine, and Nora's death drive is why she failed.
There may be other applications of Kant here, if anyone wants to way in!
Another version of TL;DR of that: The way they answered the questions is why they got denied. That was my view of it.
Lol this is so fucking weird, even by Leftovers standards
So Jesus was Alfred Borden?
Wasn't crazy about that episode even though Christopher Eccleston was fantastic.
Matthew is such an interesting character though.
That was some weird ass shit. I feel like I need to brush up on all the biblical references to truly appreciate it.
From Reddit. The opening scene translated...
Je suis le seul espoir
Im the only hope
La dernière défense d'une espèce au bord de l'extinction
The last defense of a species about to go extinct
Les démonistes nous avait avertis
The "warlocks" warned us
Ces voyants sages de la vérité
These clairvoyant sages saw the truth
Ils ont dit que ces créatures viendraient 7 ans après que les premiers aient été pris
They said the creatures would come 7 years after the first ones were taken
7 ans après le départ
7 years after the departure
Nous étions aveugles des dieux
We were blind of the gods
Maintenant nous chancelons au bord du précipice
We are now on the edge of the ravine
Au bord de la destruction
On the edge of destruction
Des que ce monstre est né nous sommes finis
When this monster is born we are done for
Parce que ce monstre est né pour nous finir
Because this monster will be born to end us
7 têtes 7 bouches de flammes
7 heads and 7 flaming mouths
Nous avons qu'un seul espoir, l'œuf
We have one last hope, the egg
des cartes demonistes je l'ai trouvé
From the warlock maps I found it
Cache dans un nie, des volcans dans la mère
Hidden in a nest, in a volcano in the sea
Merci dieu pour la technologie
Thank god for the technologie
?can't hear????... la bombe nucléaire
The nuclear weapon
Casser la coquille fragile et faire fondre les demons à l'intérieur
To break the fragile shell and melt the demons inside
Dieu que ce missile vole droit et vrai et laisse le trouver le nie du volcan
God, may this missile fly straight and find the nest in the volcano
Et que celui ci soit non éclos et qu'il soit détruit avant qu'il ne détruise le monde
And hopefully this egg wouldn't have hatched yet, and let it destroy it before it destroys the world.
so it Matt going to question all of religion, or just his own personal experience? really wonder how this will affect his rescue mission.
I really enjoyed last night's episode. Can't believe there are only three left.
Also, this is so damn good