The Leftovers

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  1. Codename Duchess

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    Son of a bitch...my cable went out for a few minutes right after Kevin told Nora he had been searching for her because he knew she was still alive. It came back on when they were sitting at the table and she told him what happened with the machine. What did I miss?
     
  2. Clown Baby

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    Well holy shit. That was perfection.
     
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  3. Jeffrey Lebowski

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    Wow. Strong ending. This show/actors better get some awards.
     
  4. Outstanding finale.
     
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  5. dome foam

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    I love you Nora
     
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  6. Clown Baby

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    Not only did we get some earthly resolution, but we also got full frontal Coon
     
  7. Brocktoon

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    So does anyone else think her story was made up and just a "nicer story" like the one the nun told earlier in the episode
     
  8. Jeffrey Lebowski

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    Read this and thought the same
     
  9. Clown Baby

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    I think it's up for interpretation (just like everything else in the show). It's more important that Kevin can move past it so that they both can find some happiness.
     
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  10. Jeffrey Lebowski

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    Now that the show is over, I may skip out on internet theories and...let the mystery be.
     
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  11. Mikelangelo

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    Fabulous, worth getting no sleep for. Wish I could have watched Lost week by week instead of binge watching.
     
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  12. Brocktoon

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    Only other interpretation that I could get on board with is that the machine killed her and the rest of the episode is her version of the hotel/afterlife.

    She gets the closure of knowing her family is okay and she gets Kevin's devotion as well.

    The story seems too clean and ridiculous to exist in their real world
     
  13. afb

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    I feel like that's a stretch. Kevin's reactions/emotions were way too real and raw for that to be the case.
     
  14. Voodoo

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    Didn't think that was anything spectacular.
     
  15. Corch

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    Didn't think it was bad but was a tiny bit disappointed
     
  16. Mitch Cumstein

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    Loved it. Will miss the piano and variations on the main theme. Fortunately I downloaded a couple versions from itunes.
     
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  17. al1

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    Great series. I enjoyed the penultimate episode more but still a solid finale.
     
  18. miles

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    People are already calling this one of the best finale's of TV ever apparently
     
  19. dome foam

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    ultimately, nora's story doesn't matter. the pigeons/Kevin came back anyways.
     
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  20. TheGrifter

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    That was beautiful.
     
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  21. Juicy Locke

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    Going to shamelessly bump my post about Laurie.

    In terms of the finale, immediately after, It didn't even cross my mind that Nora could be lying but after reading here and elsewhere, I lean toward that it was a lie. Maybe it's because I don't fully believe the ability of the machine but ultimately as others have said, Im not sure it even matters if it's truth or not. In the end she rejected, either way, her husband and kids and ended up with the person she really wanted to be with. I thought it was a fantastic finale and as a whole, one of the best series I've ever watched.
     
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  22. IvanTheTerrible

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    What makes yall believe she is lying?
     
  23. dome foam

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    your post makes zero sense, as it doesn't offer any explanation as to why you think nora is lying, and why laurie apparently killing herself has anything to do with it.
     
  24. LetItSoak

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  25. Houndster

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    Finale was perfect. Show was perfect.

    Can't wait for Lindelof's next project.
     
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  26. Brocktoon

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    The multiple references throughout the episode about lies that give hope/make people feel better. There's the nun, the goat and the doves.

    Plus the story itself is ridiculous. If true why wouldn't the scientist start sending more people back.

    Also believe that this season destroyed all the spiritual/mystical aspects of the show and her lying fits much better than if it were the truth
     
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  27. TheGrifter

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    Pretty good summary here:

     
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  28. Juicy Locke

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    First, I didn't say Laurie killing herself was related to it. I just bumped an earlier post about how I didn't buy into Laurie committing suicide and it turns out she didn't. It's a completely separate issue from Nora.

    In terms of Nora, I don't think anybody will ever know for certain but I did state an initial reason and that is, I don't fully believe the LADR Machine does what the scientists say it does. I tend to believe, it kills the people who are in it and the fact that Nora isn't dead, means she didn't use it.
     
  29. blind dog

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    I remember when I watched zoolander the first time I said that evil dj is going to be an outstanding actor one day
     
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  30. Clown Baby

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    Well then you must've slept hard on American Psycho and Mulholland Drive
     
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  31. blind dog

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    Never seen American Psycho :/

    I've seen Mulholland Drive a few times and only thing I remember was being confused and rubbing one out to the lesbian scene
     
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  32. wolfpck

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    Just watched. Loved it. As good a conclusion as I could have ever hoped. I don't buy all the theories being thrown around. I think everything is as straight forward as presented.
     
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  33. afb

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    I think there could be a discussion about whether what she said was true or not.

    But I think the bigger take away is that it doesn't matter regardless. It's a place where they have put things behind them and can finally be with each other.
     
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  34. jkun

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    Just watched the finale.. loved this show and going to miss it. Don't really have anything to add to the discussion as I still need to digest
     
  35. LKRFN88jp

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    The more I think about this show (which I've pretty much been doing all day), as well as watching a few clips (including simple ones like the various Take On Me scenes from episode 4 this year), I have decided that I'm pretty sure this show is in my top 5 favorites all time. It might not be in the top 5 "best" but I just love it so much. Might be living in the moment way too much but dammit this final season hit it out of the park. Only episode I wasn't all in on was Kevin Sr.'s episode. But a lot of that is just never being a huge fan of the character. But other than that, I pretty much loved every other episode this season. The second half in particular (starting with the aforementioned Take On Me episode) was pound for pound the strongest group of episodes this show has ever done. Gonna miss it.
     
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  36. Clown Baby

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    Right there with you. What's amazing to me is that such a grave show about loss had so many awe inspiring moments of levity.
     
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  37. Moxin24

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    Finale was good, not great. The acting and storytelling were, as usual, better than anything else on TV. I agree that the alternate theories are crap. If you watched the "making of" finale show they talk about what they wanted to accomplish and how the episode did that. There was nothing even remotely suggesting Nora didn't experience what she claimed she did.

    That said, if they were going to have Nora go through to the other side, you have to have a bigger payoff than just her telling the story to Kevin. I fucking love the realization that while this world lost 2% of the population, the other side lost 98%. That was something I hadn't thought of.

    But, do us a favor and spend an episode or two on the other side. If you can devote two episodes to Kevin as an international assassin and a Manchurian Candidate president, you can do one or two on where everybody went.

    That's my only real beef, and I do think its significant. But its still one of my favorite shows of all time.

    Edit: Oh, and fuck Laurie being alive.
     
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  38. dfmPSU

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    It was discussed, but not followed through on:

    http://www.vulture.com/2017/06/leftovers-finale-behind-the-scenes-exclusive.html

    One very Lost-ian idea the showrunner had clung to from the very first episode was the possible existence of a mirror world, where 98 percent of the population disappeared instead of 2 percent. While filming his pilot’s first scene, during which a baby disappears from a car seat, Lindelof asked director Peter Berg if they could shoot an alternate version, “where we stay on the baby and then we tilt over to the front seat and the mother is gone.” Berg asked why. “That might be the way to end the series,” Lindelof had said. They didn’t have time to film it.

    But in that pre-room Lindelof revived the idea of showing the Other Place. “He made it so fucking compelling,” says Perrotta, “and everybody in the room is going, ‘Yeah!’ And I’m sitting there going, ‘No!’ ” Lindelof, comparing his writers’ room to 12 Angry Men, says that “Perrotta became Juror No. 8” — the lone dissenter who brings the room around. Perrotta gave a version of his Leftovers stump speech: “It was always just a given for me that there is this mystery, the same mystery of where do we go when we die, and the idea that there’s one authoritative answer seems palpably ridiculous to me.”
     
  39. TheGrifter

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    After reading the Reddit I put in spoilers above, and thinking about it quite a bit, I think Nora was lying. It definitely fits the theme of the episode better if Nora is making it up. Lying, who we lie to, and why we lie to them/ourselves is essentially the thrust of the dialogue involving all the characters revolving around Kevin and Nora throughout the episode. This show is way too intelligent to throw away wasted dialogue by one off characters that doesn't have deeper meaning. The fact she was lying and it doesn't matter because it's what they both needed makes the scene more powerful, IMO.

    The explanation for the departures could definitely be a mirror world, but that doesn't mean Nora went there.
     
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  40. gordon bombay

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    The only thing that I truly felt was out of place was Kevin dying / Kevin the Messiah. I still am not sure what the purpose of all of that was or how it fit into the story.

    Overall a really good show tho.
     
  41. Voodoo

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    They didn't show any episodes from the other side because Nora made it all up.
     
  42. Clown Baby

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    Showing episodes from the other side 1) sullies the impact of Kevin's assassin episodes, and 2) becomes too solution-oriented for a show that's all about letting the viewer decide what he/she believes.

    And she also probably made it all up.
     
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  43. fsutis

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    The way that I want to see it is she was telling the truth. The Otis Redding song really was perfect for their scene it really got to me. I Loved the music on this show.
     
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  44. jkun

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    this is the main thing I still have questions on as well. Kevin does all that and then comes back and supposedly has a heart attack? no real explanation at all for any of it
     
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  45. MtOread

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    Watched the finale last night, felt like a perfect ending to the series. I think she made it up.
     
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  46. afb

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    part of me would've been like HOLY FUCK if we saw the alternate world with the baby as described

    but most of me understands Lindelof's point
     
  47. wolfpck

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    I've listened to "Dreams to Remember" like 20 times since Sunday
     
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  48. Brocktoon

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    Because it was all in his head and not real. Him nuking the other world was a symbol for him accepting his mental illness/putting an end to the delusions. The heart attack was just another nod at it being not real (aka he's not actually immortal).
     
  49. Moxin24

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    If they had ended the series with that scene I would have lost my mind.