The Official Plane Crash Thread

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  1. Handcuffed

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    looks like a bomb took this plane down

    bertwing please merge this thread with the middle east/terrorism thread

    thanks in advance
     
  2. bertwing

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    Truman where is your team thread?
     
  3. Truman

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    If we're talking about merging crashes...

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  4. Dr. Richard Cranium

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    It was food poisoning that caused all the problems in the movie Airplane! too.
     
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  5. jokewood

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    Cool guys don't look at explosions. They crash on Guam, and they walk away.
     
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  6. AIP

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    This would never happen on devine s watch

    The merge not the crash
     
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  7. 941Gator

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    figured I would not have to go to google to learn, I just usually tmb my news. Time are a changin' thanks to new mods.
     
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  8. 941Gator

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    FBI chief on EgyptAir #MS804: "So far we have no claim of responsibility or evidence this was an intentional act."
     
  9. 941Gator

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    Speculation has centered on the possibility of a terrorist attack.
    "It's very difficult to come up with a scenario that jibes with some sort of catastrophic failure. (The evidence so far) leads us down the road to a deliberate act," CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien said.
    Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister Sharif Fathi said technical failures and terror are each possible explanations.
    "But if you analyze this situation properly, the possibility of having a different action aboard, of having a terror attack, is higher than having a technical problem," Fathi said.
     
  10. BellottiBold

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    Can't people just fucking say "We don't know yet because we haven't collected all of the relevant information yet/had time to process it". Is it that fucking hard *not* to just speculate at every opportunity?

    /pet peeve
     
  11. teel

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    Being a CNN aviation analyst would be pretty fly
     
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  12. MODEVIL

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    they'll only put people on the air who are willing to talk about possible scenarios because otherwise the viewer is tuning out.
     
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  13. WhiskeyDelta

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    Boooooooooooooo

    Hey, we'll pay you to talk about scenarios we have no data for yet because the 24/hr news cycle means we can't not say anything.
    "Yeah, I'm down"
     
  14. skeezy

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    Could you imagine crashing on live tv though
     
  15. RoyalShocker

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    7 minutes after it happened last night, Fox had some "expert" on Egypt's economy on claiming that the Egyptian economy would be devastated IF it was terrorism.
     
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  16. CraigAnne Conway

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    Thank you crying faggot correspondent BellottiBold, Now to weather....
     
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  17. eHo

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    Not sure if related to plane crash, but:

    Rukmini Callimachi ‏@rcallimachi 6h6 hours ago
    1. Woke up this morning & found ISIS channels are touting an upcoming release by al-Furqan, one of their media arms


    Rukmini Callimachi ‏@rcallimachi 6h6 hours ago
    2. It was al-Furqan that produced the videos showing beheadings of freelance journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, executed in 2014

    Rukmini Callimachi ‏@rcallimachi 6h6 hours ago
    3. Meanwhile ISIS sympathizers on Twitter are claiming that a speech is coming soon either from ISIS spokesman Adnani or leader Baghdadi
     
  18. eHo

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    Weird. ISIS has not said anything about the plane crash:

    Rukmini Callimachi ‏@rcallimachi 44m44 minutes ago
    Rukmini Callimachi Retweeted Samer Al-Atrush

    Cairo-based journalist listened to whole speech. No mention of plane.

    Rukmini Callimachi added,

    Samer Al-Atrush @SameralAtrush
    And it's over, Adnani makes no mention of Egypt
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  19. The Banks

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    So who done it then?
     
  20. Cheshire Bridge

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    On Friday : it's likely a bomb.
    On Monday : don't jump to conclusions.

    Egypt.
     
  21. SmoochieWallace

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    Lithium ion battery explosion and resulting fire.
     
  22. eHo

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...or-several-minutes-before-crash-a7041936.html
     
  23. 941Gator

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    Human remains suggest explosion brought down EgyptAir plane, forensics official says
     
  24. teel

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    I'm going to create a satellite that has a camera recording the entire earth 24/7 that you can go back and rewind to a certain point in time and zoom into the coordinates. Look at that the plane exploded. Great idea teel, now you're fucking rich.
     
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  25. NineteenNine

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    that's gonna be a big camera.
     
  26. Houndster

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    Call it God.

    Now give me my 50%
     
  27. teel

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    If I called it God then the camera wouldn't exist

    :iceburn:
     
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  28. broken internet

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    Cross post from the Space thread, it already kind of exists.
     
  29. je ne suis pas ici

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    Cairo (CNN)A French naval vessel has detected underwater signals from one of EgyptAir Flight 804's so-called black boxes, investigators said Wednesday.

    Specialized locator equipment on board the French vessel La Place detected signals from the seabed in the Mediterranean Sea, the Egyptian investigative committee said in a statement.
    The director of the BEA, France's air accident investigation agency, later said it had confirmed the signals were from one of the recorders on the plane.
    "The signal of a beacon from a flight recorder could be detected. ... The detection of this signal is a first step," BEA Director Remy Jouty said in a statement, according to an agency spokesman.
    The Airbus A320, which had 66 people aboard, crashed in the Mediterranean on May 19 on a flight from Paris to Cairo.
    Since then, authorities have been searching for wreckage and the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders, which could reveal evidence about what caused the crash.
     
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  30. je ne suis pas ici

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    (CNN)Investigators trying to piece together what caused EgyptAir Flight 804 to plunge into the Mediterranean Sea now have another clue.

    The plane's cockpit voice recorder indicates there was a fire on the aircraft before it crashed -- and an attempt to put it out, a senior source from the airline told CNN on Tuesday.

    The revelation adds another detail to a picture that's been slowly emerging since the May 19 crash. But investigators have said it's still too soon to say what happened aboard the flight.

    The cockpit voice recorder captures sounds from the flight deck, including crew conversation, alarms and background noise that can help investigators understand what the flight crew was doing.

    Authorities haven't released a transcript orrevealed details about what can be heard in the recording. French investigators were working to repair the voice recorder's damaged memory chip.

    "What they are not saying, and they are not telling us or discussing, is what might have caused the fire?" CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest said. "And that remains, of course, the absolute top question."
     
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  31. Kirk Fogg

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    Australia Basically Just Confirmed That the MH370 Pilot Simulated a One-Way Flight Into the Ocean

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...-mh370-simulator-story.html?mid=twitter_nymag
     
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  32. Barves2125

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    Must've needed help from the Southern Indian Ocean trade winds to get outside our atmosphere.
     
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  34. NineteenNine

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    hey suicidal people of the world, if you want to die, fine. don't kill others with you. that makes you an asshole.
     
  35. brahmanknight

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    Even if the Westboro Baptist Church clan is with them?
     
  36. angus

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    Can't find the original MH370 thread so I guess this will have to do.

    How Were They So Wrong About MH370?
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    It wasn't supposed to end like to this. Earlier today, ministers from the three nations responsible for finding Malaysia Airlines Flight 370-Australia, China, and Malaysia-announced that they would stop looking for the lost jet once the current 46,000-square-mile search zone is completed this fall. The decision was essentially an acknowledgement that they'd come up empty-handed in their quest to find the plane that disappeared from the face of the Earth in March 2014 with 239 people on board. This after two years of official assurances that success was right around the corner.

    Why had they been so confident in the first place? How could they have been wrong?

    Why had they been so confident in the first place? How could they have been wrong? And if the plane isn't where it was supposed to be, where else could it have gone? We've gone through two years of clues and conspiracy theories and false starts. But to understand how we've come to this point, it's necessary to review the clues that search officials possessed, and how they interpreted them.

    Calculating the Direction of Flight
    There were two reasons why investigators felt certain the plane had flown toward a specific area of the southern Indian Ocean. The first was publicly acknowledged, the second kept secret.

    The first reason had to do with signals exchanged between the plane and an Inmarsat satellite. On the night of March 8, 2014, 40 minutes after takeoff, MH370 suddenly went electronically dark over the South China Sea. Every form of communication it had with the outside world was turned off. The plane then pulled a 180, flew back over peninsular Malaysia, headed up the Malacca Strait, and disappeared from radar.

    Then, surprisingly, three minutes later, it began communicating again. A piece of equipment in the back of the plane called the Satellite Data Unit (SDU) sent a log-on request to an Inmarsat satellite perched in a geosynchronous orbit high above the Indian Ocean. For the next six hours, the SDU stayed in contact, automatically sending intermittent pings that were automatically recorded by Inmarsat computers on the ground.

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    The transmissions didn't contain any data per se, but in the weeks that followed investigators discovered they could mathematically wring from it clues about where the plane had gone. There were two types of data. The first, called Burst Timing Offset (BTO), indicated how far the plane was from the satellite at a given time. Investigators used that data to create a set of "ping rings;" you may remember seeing the maps overlaid with these lines showing where the plane must have been at a given time. The BTO info is fairly precise, providing an accuracy of within 10 km (about 6 miles).

    The second type of data is Burst Frequency Offset (BFO), which measures the effect of Doppler shift and other factors on the aircraft's signal. BFO turned out to be much more complicated and fuzzier than the BTO data. For a time, investigators hoped that they combine it with BTO values to narrow down the plane's endpoint, but this proved impossible. However, BFO does provide an unambiguous indication that the plane flew south over the Indian Ocean, not north to Asia.

    After much mathematical wrestling, the investigators realized that by the clever use of statistics, they could figure out where the plane went using BTO data alone. They used supercomputers to generate a huge number of random routes and test them to see which fit the observed data. The result: MH370 probably flew straight and fast, around the speed commercial jets usually fly, and ended up somewhere along a 500-mile stretch of the final ping arc.

    This was the official methodology that Australian officials presented to the public. Behind the scenes, they had another piece of information that the Malaysian government didn't want leaked to the public: That the FBI had examined the flight simulator that the plane's captain, Zaharie Shah, kept in his basement. It found deleted files for a flight that ended in fuel exhaustion over the southern Indian Ocean. This flight didn't match up exactly with the ping ring data, but to U.S. and Australian investigators it provided compelling confirmation that the captain had indeed planned a suicide flight into the remote southern Indian Ocean. They were convinced that they were on the right track.

    Defining the Search Area
    In October 2014, search ships began steaming up and down the final ping arc, towing sidescan-sonar equipment that could image the seabed in photographic detail. Many expected the plane TO be found in short order. When it wasn't, the question became: how far out from the 7th and final arc would they need to search?


    To answer that question, experts took a closer look at the final pings from the SDU. Their suggestion: What if the SDU, which we know had already re-logged on with the satellite once before (almost unheard of in normal aviation) had dropped out and logged back in yet again? Their reasoning was that the plane probably ran out of fuel, causing the engines to stop and their generators to stop delivering power to the satcom system, but then an emergency generator kicked in and the SDU powered up and logged back on.

    At the time of the final ping, then, the plane had been without engine power for eight minutes. What searchers need to figure out was how far the plane could have traveled after that. The crucial factor was whether a pilot had been at the controls. If the cockpit was unmanned-if Zaharie had taken a suicide pill after turning toward the empty ocean, for instance, or the captain and first officer had killed one another in a struggle for control-then the end would have come quickly. Based on past accidents and flight simulations, the searchers decided that an out-of-fuel 777 with no pilot would have entered a spiral dive and crash within 20 nautical miles. Add in a fudge factor of another 20 miles, and searchers ended up with a search box that stretched 40 nautical miles on either side of the final ping arc.

    It was also conceivable, however, that Zaharie had been alert at the controls at the moment of fuel exhaustion. If that were the case, then the plane wouldn't necessarily have spun out of control. Zaharie could have held the wings level and let the plane glide all the way down to the surface. In that event, the plane could have traveled another 100 nautical miles in either direction.

    In the end it came down to practicality. Searching an area of four-mile-deep seabed 500 miles long and 80 miles across was a task of unprecedented ambition. Even searching one 200 miles wide seemed crazy. So investigators decided the pilots were most likely unresponsive by the end of the flight, and expressed absolute confidence in their verdict: The plane would be found within the narrower search area. Lead Australian crash investigator Peter Foley put the champagne on ice in November 2014, telling News.com.au that "the 1988 Moet is chilling nicely."

    Nothing There
    By July 2015, searchers had looked at seabed out to a distance of 15 nautical miles inside the final arc and 23 nautical miles outside it. Nothing. As the months flew by, the official search plan was starting to look shaky. This is when the doubts crept in. Did the plane really go south after all? Could the BFO data have been misunderstood, or even perhaps maliciously spoofed by ingenious hijackers? Were the conspiracy theorists right all along?

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    Then, on July 29, a beach cleanup crew on Réunion Island in the western Indian Ocean found a piece of the plane's right wing on a pebbly beach. That issue, at least, appeared to be settled: the plane was somewhere in the ocean. In months that followed, more aircraft pieces turned up on nearby islands and on the coast of Africa. The search pressed on.

    And still-nothing. Here we are today, a year later, and still not a trace of the plane has been found on the seabed. The searchers have scoured more than 90 percent of the seabed search area, a rectangle extending from 30 miles inside the arc to 50 miles outside it.

    What assumption had been faulty? Where did things go wrong?


    The most obvious candidate is that the plane wasn't pilotless at the end. "If it was manned it could glide for a long way," the director of Fugro, one of the companies conducting the search, told Reuters this week. "You could glide it for further than our search area is, so I believe the logical conclusion will be well maybe that is the other scenario."

    If he's right, then a logical course of action would be to keep looking further outward from the final ping arc. Now that 46,000 square miles have been scanned, searching another 115,000 doesn't seem so crazy. Sure, we'd be following a $130 million, two-year fruitless search with one on the order of $325 million and five years, but that doesn't seem so extravagant when you realize that a single 777 costs $250 million.

    The problem is that there's no guarantee the plane would turn up in the extended area, either. What if a different assumption is the faulty one-for example, the flight-path calculation? Maybe the plane took a lower-probability route that veered further to the north. Indeed, several studies of debris drift routes suggest that the plane hit the water somewhere in that direction. "The best guess that we think is that it's probably around the Broken Ridge region, which is slightly to the north of the area that they're looking at," Western Australian University oceanographer Charitha Pattiaratchi told the South China Morning Post.


    We may never know. Today's announcement of the looming end of the search means neither of these possibilities will be explored. Although China, France and Malaysia are technically "suspending" the search until "credible new information" turns up, no one really believes that this will ever happen. It's game over.

    Three months ago, Martin Dolan, then head of the Australian agency leading the seabed search, told the Guardian that he still felt it "very likely" that the plane would be found in the current search area because the investigators' technical analysis was "a very reliable proposition." It was the latest-and ultimately the last-in a series of official assurances that stretched back two years. What's now clear is that behind that the search leaders' confidence was not based on well-grounded certainty but rather on a calculated gamble. That gamble didn't pay off.
     
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  37. NineteenNine

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    no. if the WBC is in the plane, feel free to crash that motherfucker.
     
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  38. dvnasty

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    anyone know why pilots are given the ability to turn transmitters off? Seems like something that no one should have control over :idk:
     
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  39. Barves2125

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    Not a pilot so you may be better off asking Bruce Wayne or someone with real experience but I am a big aviation fan so I'll give you my only quality guess.

    Generally, as I understand it, pretty much anything on a plane can be turned off/on manually. Things are designed that way because if something fucks up and/or causes interference with another instrument you need to be able to stop it as soon as you can.
     
  40. Bruce Wayne

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    Basically everything that consumes power on an aircraft can potentially cause interference, short-circuits, or otherwise jeopardize the safety of flight and therefore must be switchable. Sometimes the switch is in the form a button, otherwise by a fuse.

    If the transponder malfunctions, it may cause interruptions to all ATC surveillance in an area. There have been occurrences in the past that due to a fault in the transponder it was basically acting as a radar jammer. Another reason is that when the aircraft is on the ground, the transponder is switched off to reduce the amount of radio transmissions. 100 aircraft on the surface of a large airport can produce a massive radio frequency noise, which negatively affect radar systems.
     
  41. Barves2125

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  42. Artoo

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    CNN had it right all along!
     
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  44. je ne suis pas ici

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    Hong Kong (CNN)The underwater search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has been suspended nearly three years after the plane vanished without a trace over the Indian Ocean, according to a joint statement from Chinese, Australian and Malaysian officials.

    The three countries had been leading the search for MH370, which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board.

    "Despite every effort using the best science available, cutting edge technology, as well as modeling and advice from highly skilled professionals who are the best in their field, unfortunately, the search has not been able to locate the aircraft," the statement said.
    "The decision to suspend the underwater search has not been taken lightly nor without sadness."
     
  45. prerecordedlive

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    Wonder how much money was wasted on that search.

    We've surely made huge leaps in space travel since the search began, so maybe it was worth it.
     
  46. angus

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    MH370 captain 'deliberately evaded radar' during final moments of doomed flight
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    Zaharie Amad Shah was the captain of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 when it disappeared in 2014

    Aviation experts believe they may have solved the mystery of the disappearance of flight MH370, saying the 239 passengers and crew were the victims of a deliberate, criminal act carried out by the plane’s captain.

    Martin Dolan, former head of the Australia Transport Safety Bureau, who led the two-year search for the missing plane, said: “This was planned, this was deliberate, and it was done over an extended period of time.”

    The plane was presumed to have flown on autopilot before running out of fuel and plunging into the southern Indian Ocean. However, the wreckage has never been found and the search was suspended in January last year.
    The panel suggested a more gradual descent could mean the search was concentrated in the wrong area and that the plane could still be found largely intact.

    Simon Hardy, a Boeing 777 instructor, said Captain Zaharie avoided detection by flying a careful course along the winding border between Malaysian and Thai air space, crossing in and out of radar cover on either side.

    “So both of the controllers aren’t bothered about this mysterious aircraft. Cause it’s, ‘Oh, it's gone. It’s not in our space any more,’” he told the programme, which was broadcast on Sunday.

    “If you were commissioning me to do this operation and try and make a 777 disappear, I would do exactly the same thing.”

    He also pointed out the Malaysian captain had made an unexplained turn to fly over his home town of Penang.

    “Somebody was looking out the window, It might be a long, emotional goodbye or a short, emotional goodbye to his home town,” he said.

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    Survey ship HMS Echo and a Lockheed P-3 Orion during the early days of the search in the southern Indian Ocean Credit: Press Association " style="color: rgb(118, 125, 132); font-size: 13px; line-height: 1.5; padding-top: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px;">
    Survey ship HMS Echo and a Lockheed P-3 Orion during the early days of the search in the southern Indian Ocean Credit: Press Association

    “Unfortunately, he was killing everybody else on board, and he did it deliberately,” he added.

    The pilot
    Theories about the plane's disappearance being due to a “rogue pilot” emerged soon after the tragedy.


    Malaysian officials said they believed the plane went missing after a “deliberate act” and confirmed the last words heard from the cockpit were "good night Malaysian three seven zero".

    It’s unknown whether the sentence was spoken by Captain Zaharie or the co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid.

    However no conclusive evidence has ever been found that one or both of the pilots deliberately steered the aircraft into the ocean.

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    An initial interim report into the mystery in 2015 looked closely at Captain Zaharie’s background and behaviour in the lead-up to the flight, but found his “ability to handle stress at work and home was good”.

    The report also stated: “There was no known history of apathy, anxiety, or irritability. There were no significant changes in his lifestyle, interpersonal conflict or family stresses.”

    Captain Zaharie's wife, Faizah Hanun, was questioned a number of times by the FBI and Malaysian police about her husband’s state of mind leading up to the flight.

    The pair were reported to have split-up before the crash, although they were still living under the same roof in Kuala Lumpur.

    Speculation that Captain Zaharie may have brought the plane down as part of an elaborate insurance scam as also ruled out by the report, which found “no record of him having secured a life insurance policy."

    Footage of the pilots and crew preparing to board the missing Boeing 777 again showed no untoward signs, with them appearing "well groomed and attired".

    On Zaharie's behaviour investigators concluded: “The gait, posture, facial expressions and mannerism were his normal characteristics."

    Disappearance
    MH370 lost contact with Malaysian Airlines less than an hour after it took of from Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 12.41am on 8 March 2014. No distress signal or communication was sent after it disappeared.

    The plane’s transponder, the instrument that communicates with ground radar, appeared to be shut down as it crossed from Malaysian to Vietnamese airspace over the South China Sea.

    Initial investigations suggested the plane came down in the Indian Ocean south west of Australia, well out of its designated flight path.

    When it went down the plane was carrying 12 Malaysian crew members and 227 passengers, including seven children.

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    A woman cries and drops to her knees while praying with MH370 relatives at the Lama Temple in Beijing, on the second anniversary of plane's disappearance Credit: Mark Schiefelbein "
    The majority of those on board were Chinese and Malaysians but it was also carrying passengers from Iran, America, Canada, Indonesia, Australia, India, France, New Zealand, Ukraine, Russia, Taiwan and the Netherlands.

    Malaysia Airlines said four passengers who checked in for the flight did not show up at the airport on the day.

    ‘Most expensive search in history’
    The search for MH370 is thought to be the most expensive ever conducted.

    The mystery over its last location has lead to a vast search area of nearly three million square miles being designated.

    Since then Malaysian, Australian and Chinese teams have carried out underwater searches spanning 46,000 square miles in the southern Indian Ocean and found nothing.

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    French police officers carry a piece of MH370 debris from a plane in Saint-Andre, Reunion Island, near Madagascar in 2015 Credit: AP/Lucas Marie "
    Debris from MH370 has washed up in beaches along the coastline of Mozambique, Tanzania, Madagascar, Reunion Island and Mauritius. This has been attributed to the strength of the ocean’s currents rather than giving any clues as to MH370’s final resting place.

    A report released by the Australian search agency in December advised that if the plane was not found in the existing zone it was most likely to be in a 9,653 square-mile to the north.

    But after spending an estimated at £90 million, the three countries decided to wind down the investigation earlier this year.

    The decision was met with dismay from the families' official support group, Voice 370. In a statement it said: “In our view, extending the search to the new area defined by the experts is an inescapable duty owed to the flying public in the interest of aviation safety.”
     
  47. THF

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    So what we are saying is that we don’t know for sure that it didn’t make it to outer space?
     
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    There have been a few instances of pilots jumping. A few years back a Michigan student rented a Cessna 172, put the auto pilot on, and jumped over Lake Superior. The plane continued until it ran out of fuel and crash in Ontario. They showed up to the crash to investigate and there was no blood, footprints around the crash, or any signs of life. Had to be weird for the investigators when they first arrived.
     
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    Got a link? That's very interesting