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Discussion in 'The Mainboard' started by Swim Cantore, Jul 29, 2015.
There were 5 people on a plane bound for the Bahamas from South Carolina when the plane dropped off radar. Graphic in the article shows it disappear
One of the most unreliable airliners in the world. They weren't even allowed in European airspace as recently as earlier this year due to be unsafe. Never fly with an Indonesian airliner.
The article I was reading this morning was talking about how Indonesian airlines have horrific safety records, and most aren't allowed to fly in Europe or the US.
Without doing any sort of research on the subject I feel like that part of the world has the most plane crashes
Singapore being the outlier
The US and Russia lead that by a ton. But obviously in the US they're usually not commercial tragedies like that. Can't speak for Russia. I know the larger South American countries are bad too
Yeah I’m talking strictly commercial
Noted in the article they've only been allowed some airlines since 2009.
Interesting that this particular plane was fairly new with only 800 hours.
What are the lemon laws like for airliners?
I've never been denied access to a flight because of my lemons
They were flying a 737 MAX8 with less than 200 hours of flight time since it was delivered, so basically brand new. That’d be something else if they render a basically brand new airplane unsafe in barely 2 months
Reading about the issues with this plane's flight from the previous day makes you think they had a major technical issue, the issue wasn't fixed properly, and the plane was rushed back into service. I know 737's are some of the most commonly used commercial planes, but I wonder if the maintenance crews were familiar enough with the newness of the Max 8 to properly diagnose and fix the issue in a matter of hours.
I'll be really interested to see Boeing's response in this given how many orders they've filled / will fill for this type of aircraft.
Can't find the original MH 370 thread
Good story. I like revisiting these after the dust has settled. You get so much trash information right as it happens that it's hard to know what's the truth. Seems like the pilot flew it into the ocean given what we know now. What a sad way to end so many people's lives.
Flew it in to space*
This seems less than ideal.
I watched the Mayday episode on MH370 recently and they basically argued the same, albeit with less conviction.
Was there any indication in regards to the pilot? I vaguely remember hearing that he didn’t fit the profile for someone that would do this.
They said the Malaysians covered up some of the concerns with the pilot. Their report stated there was no cause for concern and he was a happy man but some of the people that knew him (including a pilot coworker) said he was depressed and lonely. His marriage had dissolved. He was seeking out women online apparently. There was also a flight plan on his flight simulator that was very similar to the route MH 370 ultimately took.
I don’t believe it. They won’t know until they find the plane, if they ever do. They narrowed it down to the most logical solution. It’s almost always a series of mishaps or events they never thought possible.
What he did would be pretty easy to do and they outlined how in that story. Occam's razor
That’s a damn good piece of journalism.
"Forensic examinations of Zaharie’s simulator by the FBI revealed that he experimented with a flight profile roughly matching that of MH370—a flight north around Indonesia followed by a long run to the south, ending in fuel exhaustion over the Indian Ocean. Malaysian investigators dismissed this flight profile as merely one of several hundred that the simulator had recorded. Of all the profiles extracted from the simulator, the one that matched MH370’s path was the only one that Zaharie did not run as a continuous flight—in other words, taking off on the simulator and letting the flight play out, hour after hour, until it reached the destination airport. Instead he advanced the flight manually in multiple stages, repeatedly jumping the flight forward and subtracting the fuel as necessary until it was gone."
I thought I read that the trailing edge of the flaperon that was found showed damage consistent with a controlled landing at sea, but this makes it sound like he was at cruising altitude when the fuel ran out and it just dropped like a rock.
RED FLAG. Dude was obv a walking homicide/suicide.
Yeah. We know.
Uh, so this was bs?
Didja check the Indian Ocean thread?
Not a crash but
Absolutely incredible job by the pilots to get her back home safety with one engine.
Equally incredible how well engineered the 777 is to get it back to DEN at low altitude, dead weight, and full fuel
Yeah most planes I’ve worked with would do a fuel dump but I imagine they’d prefer not to dump that much JP8 over Aurora.
Glad the engine decided to take a shit over Denver instead of halfway over the Pacific.
Even if it did, because the 777 ETOPS rating is so high (I believe this was a 777-200, so 180 minutes) they would have either turned back to LA, or carried on to Hawaii depending on if they reached the decision point or not.
Fun fact but I believe the 777-200LR has an ETOPS rating of 330 minutes
Yeah Google said it could run on one engine for over 5 hours
Would be interested to know how many flights are over water/places you can't land for over 5 hours.
i'm not sure there's a single flight path where that would be the case
Parts of Antartica would be the only one. Even three hours gets you basically everywhere except from South America to Australia/New Zealand.
and iirc those flights paths(Aus/NZ) are chosen to track island air strips to maintain minimum distance to landing
Airplanes are incredibly impressive machines.
I was thinking maybe over the North pole too, in terms of civilian airfields rated for a 777-size aircraft. Unless Anchorage is rated that big.
It seems like east coast US to Johannesburg could be a contender...
SFO or LAX to Hawaii are the longest flights without an alternate landing airport