A Dance With Dragons Discussion [Book 5]

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  1. Swt

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    Wish they'd give Sansa some reek treatment but that cunts arc is going in a completely different direction. Only thing I dislike about these books.
     
  2. Fuzzy Zoeller

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    Or he makes them likable like Jaime.
     
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  3. RJF-GUMP

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    I don't think GRRM did a great job with the Tyrion storyline in this book. I used to really enjoy the Tyrion storyline, now it's just kind of meh.
     
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  4. ttuman10

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    ever since Sansa stopped being sansa I don't think she's been too terrible.
     
  5. Cawgs or Gie!

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    Where do whores go? No one gives a shit, dude.
     
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  6. RJF-GUMP

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    Tyrion was more interesting when he was running things in King's Landing as opposed to being a wandering vagabond. I'm sure GRRM will tie it all together and improve it at some point, but no reason to make his readers suffer through mediocre storylines in the meantime.
     
  7. Voodoo

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    Everything in the vicinity of Mereen is horrible.
     
  8. pennstate2012

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    I'm hoping Tyrion's arc greatly improves in WoW with the Second Sons in toe.
     
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  9. RJF-GUMP

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    Selmy does work in Mereen. That's about the only thing worth a crap. I enjoyed the pitfighting scene as well. All the crazy names and ridiculous number of characters with basically no signficance or little character depth that are constantly referred to such as the shave pate are just awful.
     
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  10. Snakes

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    Fuck the boltons. Fuck them.
     
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  11. colonel_forbin

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    About 450 pages into my reread of ADWD. I read it when it first came out and this is my first re-read. There is so much stuff I forgot.

    This reread may get me on a fantasy book bender. Anyone have any recommendations? I haven't read Wheel of Time or the Dark Tower series.
     
  12. BayouMafia

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    There was a fantasy thread on here before the crash, too bad we lost it. Have you read The Kingkiller Chronicle? Two books are out and the third and final book is coming out soon, so your timing would be great. Several big fans of that series on this board.
     
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  13. colonel_forbin

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    No but I will check it out. Thanks :respek:
     
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  15. Pawpride

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    I just started Wheel of Time, hopefully it's good. I recommend The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson. I read it after my reread of ASOIAF and really enjoyed it.
     
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  16. OHW

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    I got 200 pages in and quit, not a big fan. :/
     
  17. Krieger

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    i just finished words of radiance, the second book in the stormlight archive

    the first one was better but they are a pretty fun easy read. i liked the stormlight archive better than the kingkiller chronicles
     
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  18. Swt

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    Kingkiller is awesome. Another case of a lazy/fame milking writer though
     
  19. Keef

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    I read the first one and about a quarter of the second one and then lost my will to finish when i saw the writer was taking his time with the third. Now I've forgotten the majority of what happens and will have to start over when he finally releases it
     
  20. Hoss Bonaventure

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    I've stopped about a quarter of the way through the first one. I'm just going to wait till they're all out and go through them.
     
  21. Swt

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    Me too. I kinda see why they delay so long because it keeps them relevant amd makes more money but its frustrating as a fan.
     
  22. Mike

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    Love kingkiller. Huge fan. I've read all the SOIAF books, love them.

    Read wheel of time, it was ok but mostly I just stuck with it since I've been reading them since I was younger and they took forever to finish. Not as good a read as an adult.

    Currently working on Raven's shadow books by Anthony Ryan. Pretty good stuff. Not great but there's not a lot of great stuff out there.
     
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  23. The Blackfish

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    I've read everything mentioned so far and agree with all the recs. hardest to get through is WoT due to length and shitty books in the middle. I'm doing Malazan Book of the Fallen right now and really enjoying it.
     
  24. DuckD

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    Looks like the show has the potential to grant your wish
     
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  25. Mike

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    Gave up on Malazan around book 4 or 5. It is just meh to me. Too much going on and I could never really "absorb" how the world functions. To really enjoy these type of books, or sci-fi, I need to understand how things work in that reality and could never really get Malazan down.
     
  26. The Blackfish

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    Then Sanderson and Rothfuss should be right up your alley with their clearly defined magic systems. I appreciate that too but for the most part it isn't a deal breaker for me.
     
  27. Swt

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    I don't buy it. She'll get her stupid ass carried to Stannis by Reek/Brienne or some other north remembering peasant.

    Ramsey's side piece is the one being set up to take the hard fall after some small wins.
     
  28. Mike

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    Yeah, Rothfuss is my #1. Haven't tried Sanderson except for one book that I thought sucked. Something about a bunch of zombie people all forced to live in a walled city. Elantris I think.

    Thinking on it some I guess character development is another biggie for me and Malazan jumps around so much I never feel I have any connection to any of the characters.
     
  29. The Blackfish

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    Elantris was Sanderson's first novel and it's definitely not on the level of his other stuff. Probably my least favorite of his work (although I still enjoyed it). Pick up the Mistborn trilogy and go with that. Then Stormlight Archive (only 2 of 10 books published so far but he writes fast)
     
  30. colonel_forbin

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    It seems like every description in the book is someone with close-set eyes and a thin nose.
     
  31. colonel_forbin

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    So on page 577 Barristan is telling Dany about how Aerys lusted over Tywin's wife on their wedding night and then he says that Tywin never forgot "the liberties your father (Aerys) took during the bedding." So Aerys raped Tywin's wife? Possible crazy conspiracy theory that Aerys actually fathered Jaime and Cersei?
     
  32. Cawgs or Gie!

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    Welcome to the party, colonel_forbin.
     
  33. colonel_forbin

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    I totally fucking missed that on the first read
     
  34. OHW

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    That's part of the evidence people like to use to say that Tyrion is a secret Targ.
     
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  35. colonel_forbin

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    Yeah but going solely on that reference alone, it seems that it was on the night of the wedding and may have resulted in Jaime and Cersei, not Tyrion (unless it happened on another occasion).
     
  36. OHW

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    Yup. I think they're all 3 legitimate.
     
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  37. zeberdee

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    I think if Aerys fucked her to completion on the wedding night it would have been a bigger deal than just calling it "liberties". the bedding happens in front of like every man there I always took it as he was copping feels and stuff like that as they carried her upstairs and undressed her.
     
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  38. Champ

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    Which would be ironic, as Tyrion is the one that Tywin does NOT consider his son. Also gives credence to Tywin's sister telling Jaime something along the lines of "Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you", or something like that.
     
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  39. NCHusker88

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    The speculation on this can be chalked up entirely to boredom between excruciatingly long book releases. Reading into offhand conversational remarks, taking things overly literally, coming up with crazy stories that possibly could have happened maybe.

    So like real conspiracy theorists.
     
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  40. NCHusker88

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    Not saying Tyrion and Jaime/Cersei are definitely legitimate (I firmly believe that they all are), but "taking liberties" probably means he groped the shit out of her. Maybe stuck a finger (or two) in an orifice (or two). And the Tyrion shit all stems from when Tywin said "since I can't prove that you aren't mine" which in no way definitely means he's harboring doubts about Tyrion. It could be (and more likely is) Tywin using language to express the fact that he wishes Tyrion weren't his but there's no way he could prove it anyway so it doesn't matter.
     
  41. OHW

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    The only thing that makes me think there could be a shred of legitimacy to Tyrion being a Targ is the parallelism between him, Jon, and Dany.
     
  42. jorge

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    I'm betting if Aerys banged Joanna on their wedding night, Tywin wouldn't have spent years as the hand of the king.
     
  43. NCHusker88

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    That I can't argue with.
     
  44. Mike

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    I think I will pick these up again after the season (show) ends and give them another re-read.
     
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  46. Stone Cold Steve Austin

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    ^^welp
     
  47. Swt

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    That happens in the books to fake Sansa except instead of watch, reek eats the puss or some shit.

    She did take it poorly though. Hopefully it gets her killed.
     
  48. colonel_forbin

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    I liked Sansa's story line in the fourth book. She's starting to grow up and you get to see all the conniving shit Little Finger is doing
     
  49. Swt

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    She hasnt really done anything that makes me hate her since the first book. She just started too low for me me to ever forgive. She deserves to die. Which means she'll be queen.
     
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