DotA 2: -APEM pros only go fast!

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  1. RonBurgundy

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    Game player base is doing fine, pro scene is on shaky ground.

    tier 2 players are below poverty line and lower tier 1 teams aren’t much better.

    basically players are asking them to distribute TI prize pool throughout the year so more players can actually make a living
     
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    there's a tutorial? i had no idea


    also, let's be clear: a couple of orgs every year make a TON of money. valve likes having the biggest esports tournament prizepool-wise so millions of dollars in prizes are awarded at just one tournament despite a long season (multiple seasons). it's dumb as hell.
     
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  3. brolift

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    Lol. No ragrets. Steam name is SgtButtSauce would love to team up if u bad
     
  4. BrickTamland

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    A mainboarder that could theoretically be worse at this game than me? :lovelove:
     
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    Dude. I will die so many fuckin times bro
     
  6. BrickTamland

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    My suggestion is to pick two heroes each for the roles of core/carry and support, and avoid taking the midlane for now. Play those heroes exclusively.

    A few suggested heroes:
    • Core - Phantom Assassin, Wraith King, Medusa
    • Support - Dazzle, Vengeful Spirit, Warlock
    Invisibility heroes are tempting because they’re easy to win with in low low MMR play. The downside is that you develop really bad positioning habits because you’re not punished for bad decision making like you are in mid and high mmr (where players actually purchase detection.)
     
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  7. RonBurgundy

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    Carry: WK and Jugg are always safe picks
    Mid: medusa
    Offlane: centaur, underlord, or Tide
    Hard support: CM, ogre, warlock, dazzle, Lich
    Pos 4/soft support: Lion, ogre
     
  8. RonBurgundy

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    Also I’d recommend playing unranked turbo first because the games are shorter and you get to try heroes/builds faster/easier, get more farm.
     
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    Or just permanently play turbo
     
  10. BrickTamland

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    HOW DID I LEAVE OUT THE BEST FUCKING HERO IN THE GAME?

    Brick’s new list:
    • Core - ogre, ogre
    • Support - ogre, ogre
     
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  11. BrickTamland

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    Also, once you get comfortable with the basics of the game and roles, try expanding your play style a bit.
    • Mid - ogre
    • Offlane - ogre
    • Jungle (don’t do this) - ogre
     
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    Sounds like I’m gonna ogre it up
     
  13. BrickTamland

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    Very high starting armor, great lane harass, get lots of mangos and eventually a pair of tranquil boots. Ignite scales really well, prioritize it over fire blast and take the +dmg talent for it.
     
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    Once upon a time I was ranked in the high Legend mmr but over the course of the last year or two if sporadic playing only turbo, my mmr and/or skill has decayed to like mid Guardian and it is maddening.
     
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  16. RonBurgundy

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    I hit ancient 1 and stopped playing forever. (JK I only play vs bots with my oldest now if I have free time for Dota and she doesn’t want to play switch.)
     
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    Back in the glory days I hit 4k mmr for a few games. Sweaty times
     
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    for new players, i would recommend the following heroes (skewing towards turbo):

    crystal maiden - has a nuke/slow, a root (similar to stun), and a passive ability that helps your team. positioning is very important to be good at this hero but useful even if not good
    enchantress - ult passive + heal spell makes you very hard and frustrating to kill. you wouldn't really understand the enchant spell (can dispell heroes easily, using creeps is tougher) but staying alive + healing + using your Q on enemies for good damage is big impact
    ogre magi - tanky, also hard to kill, and has a stun + a good damage spell (in turbo)

    sand king - probably the simplest blink + stun hero in the game and his W provides some easy escapability; i remember playing against a mid sand king when i was new to the game and he would sandstorm in lane and just blink and kill me. i didn't really understand sentries, etc and it was painful for me. even without that, you can just stun 1+ person and have big impact
    sniper - lane winner, hard for bad players to kill because they don't know how to jump you. damage from far away. aoe damage spell + attack modifier on regular attack + damage ult
    viper - similar to sniper; viper wins every lane and is very easy to play with an AOE damage spell + an attack modifier on their regular attack + a damage ult
    bristleback - tanky, very easy to kill people who are bad. you don't have to worry as much about positioning. forces you to learn about mana and armor, though
    wraith king - easiest carry in the game to learn; 1 stun and 3 passives, basically. lots of damage, ult gives you second life
    lina - she's hard to play at a high level but i think she's one of the easier heroes in the game as far as learning about spells. 1 aoe stun, 1 aoe nuke, 1 passive, and 1 big damage ult. learn lina and most other heroes (carries, at least) will be easier to grasp.
     
  19. BrickTamland

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    Big yes to viper.

    Big no to CM. Lower MMR games go on forever because players don’t leverage advantage and end early. CM falls of quickly, every time.
     
  20. miles

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    I played a bunch of Warlock support when I started. Super easy/always useful ult.

    You can also dominate low MMR games with night stalker just by constantly fighting at night and farming/pushing lanes during the day.
     
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  21. BrickTamland

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    Too many heroes when the answer is ogre.
     
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    This game is too much
     
  23. BrickTamland

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    [​IMG]
     
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    what made you want to learn/play it and how much dota have you seen before?
     
  25. brolift

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    I watched some steamers and it looks sick. NPR also got me to get it ages ago and I just now got a pc that can play jt
     
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  26. RonBurgundy

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    Crazy complicated, insane learning curve, the extreme highs and lows of this game are just nuts.

    There’s no better feeling than a come from behind, enemy team has mega creeps and are about to kill your ancient, but then you team wipe them, push down mid and win a game you had no business winning.

    or stomping a lane and snowballing and feeling completely invincible. Or hitting a crazy skill shot or combo and feeling for 1 second like a pro.

    but then the next game your carry gets mad you went to pull the small camp to fix lane equilibrium so he dies, breaks all his items and runs down mid to feed 12 deaths.

    or your mid picks Lion, goes midas into Aghs and the other team’s Void Spirit goes 10-0 and is 5 levels higher than anyone else in the game and you lose in 20 minutes.

    the highs and the extreme lows are crazy.

    And then there’s the fact I’ve played 2000+ games of Dota and still feel like a noob.
     
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    i am really curious what my mmr equivalent is right now, though i play exclusively turbo and its not the exact same

    but i feel like i've improved so much. not just with getting farm but itemizing, fighting and targeting the right enemy heroes, etc. dotabuff says my recent matches are A+ for the first time (they used to be C-, mainly), but idk what that means or if it means anything
     
  29. brolift

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    I figured out how to use my little donkey to go get stuff. Constantly getting killed by bots on easy still.
     
  30. BrickTamland

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    Request a coach in game.
     
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    brick your friend chucky goes on tilt so easy. abandoned lane because i didnt suicide to kill a sentry ward with him.
     
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  32. BrickTamland

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    Never played with him before last night. I only knew that TTV guy.
     
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    Ah ok. Well he’s got bad mentals.
     
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  34. BrickTamland

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    It’s all ogre now.
     
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    Went 13/0/17 with ogre mid vs viper today
     
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    Viper owns me so hard
     
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  37. RonBurgundy

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    Win lane lose game, the Viper life
     
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    season 2 of the dota anime is out. i really liked season 1.
     
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  39. RonBurgundy

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    Thinking about one time I was a CM and laned against a viper/dazzle lane and wanted to abandon 3 minutes in. Just hugged tower or I died instantly
     
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    also thinking about one time i was morph mid vs viper who rushed orchid and i was wrecked in lane probably worse than any time in the last couple of years

    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/6000942096

    just looked it up and this random turbo match was eight months ago. jesus. i still feel scarred by it.
     
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  41. RonBurgundy

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    Still remember this game 5 years ago, to date is my best game. Felt like a god. I was also 1K MMR at the time.

    https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2456704291
     
  42. RonBurgundy

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    Just finished season 2. I don’t like anime at all but the show would benefit from longer episodes or more episodes. It’s just ok.
     
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    yeah, it was super fast paced. funny enough, i thought people criticized the pace of s1 and i thought that one was really good. i find the story sort of confusing (incl s1) with the souls of reality and whatever.

    still, it's awesome to see the characters involved. i'm also not really an anime person but i like the dota one.
     
  44. RonBurgundy

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    I think it’s fine. Not bad, not great, just fine.
     
  45. Skiddly

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    The LoL anime is a million times better, unfortunately.
     
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    there are so many weirdos who play turbo dota and pretend to be ultra-competitive

    i killed this alchemist mid 1v1 once and he all-chatted some sort of weird threat. check the chat logs and then the scoreboard.

    https://www.opendota.com/matches/6388587253/chat
     
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  47. RonBurgundy

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    My kid is a pudge spammer.

    I have failed as a parent.
     
  48. BrickTamland

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    DotA 2: My kid is a Pudge spammer.
     
  49. RonBurgundy

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    Honest question for you guys, I know we are in different eras, but when did everyone start playing online video games against other players? I think mine was technically RuneScape in middle school (lol), but then counter strike in either 8th grade or 9th.

    reason I ask is cause I won’t let my kid play online yet in 5th grade (trying to at least preserve some level of innocence) and not sure when I’ll pull the trigger (limiting to bots only with me and offline stuff like Switch and iPad games).
     
  50. BrickTamland

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    I’m too old to have a relevant answer. Earliest I can remember though was playing FPS shooters (Halo maybe?) at 18y old with my older brother when he was 3,000 miles away.