Electric Vehicles

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  1. Bankz

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    is the 80k limit MSRP or final sale?
     
  2. PAHokie

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    No clue what the new bill actually states. Only seen some limited posts about it.
     
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  3. Bankz

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    I was holding off anyways given the current market and the lack of flexibility in pricing. Now seeing more increases... All the more reason to pray my 12 year old SUV holds another year or two.
     
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  4. Name P. Redacted

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    Further, vehicles must have an MSRP of under $55K for cars and $80K for SUVs, trucks and vans, otherwise they don’t count, leaving out several Tesla configurations and trucks like the USA-made Rivian. And buyers can only take advantage of the credit if they make under $150K a year ($300k filing jointly) – which will likely affect some of these higher-end car buyers.

    https://electrek.co/2022/08/07/senate-improves-ev-tax-credit-in-largest-climate-bill-ever/
     
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  5. Bankz

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    r u srs rite now
     
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  6. racer

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    But also, if you’re comfortable spending in the 80+ range (or make 150/300) then I’d assume that 7,500 isn’t going to be very impactful to your life or you make poor choices with your money. I can get behind that.
     
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  7. bro

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    that credit is awesome imhv
     
  8. Kylebw1

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    There should be absolutely zero ev tax credit until they actually make them better for the environment
     
  9. racer

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    Now give us a used credit. Trades on used EVs still get a gas car out of service in the same chain as if it was traded in on a new vehicle. Used purchase trade vehicles are probably older and more likely to leave service than vehicles traded for new.
     
  10. bro

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    It will even be available on used EVs, with a credit of up to $4,000 on cars priced $25K or less, and subject to a number of other requirements (including a lower income cap of 75k/150k).
     
  11. afb

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    There is one, it’s $4000 but it’s tied to the VIN and can only be used once per VIN so if they previously used it, it’s not available.
     
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  12. racer

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    [​IMG]
    My b I hadn’t read the full thing yet
     
  13. ButchCassidy

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    How are you supposed to know this?
     
  14. racer

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    Car Fox
     
  15. Name P. Redacted

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    shut the fuck up
     
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  16. Arliden

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    your troll is too obvious
     
  17. Kylebw1

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    No it’s not. Current ev are a waste
     
  18. Kylebw1

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    I like the future of ev but currently I don’t want something that’s going to randomly set something on fire or lock someone inside during an emergency situation
     
  19. bwi2

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    don’t buy a Tesla

    Got any more brainbusters?
     
  20. Arliden

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    I don't know how you go from EV's are a waste being your concern to I like their future but they catch fire and some companies are weird about door handles.

     
  21. afb

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    Also there’s literally a manual door open handle next to the button
     
  22. Tommy Jefferson

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    We should all remember that batteries are a major fire hazard and gasoline is inert.
     
  23. Kylebw1

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    Or a Chevy
     
  24. Kylebw1

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    the model X famously has trapped many people inside
     
  25. MORBO!

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    During the 2012-2021 period, there was roughly one Tesla vehicle fire for every 210 million miles traveled (compared to 205 million miles in 2012-2020 period).

    We also must remember that not all of the fires were caused by Tesla cars, as the manufacturer's data set includes instances of vehicle fires caused by structure fires, arson, and other things unrelated to the vehicle to make "an apt comparison" to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) data.

    According to the NFPA, the national average for vehicle fires remains at the same level of one fire per 19 million miles traveled.

    The difference between Tesla and the average is 11:1, which is a big win not only for Tesla, but in general, for electric cars.

    :idk:
     
  26. MORBO!

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    How many of those people famously just didn’t try to use the manual release lever for the door?
     
  27. Tommy Jefferson

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    Also must remember that the Jaws of Life were invented to extract people from Teslas in the 1960s
     
  28. Kylebw1

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  29. Kylebw1

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    quick google will show you many cases of them not working in emergency situations. I linked one of them resulting in a death.
     
  30. afb

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    drove 1000 miles last month and it cost me $21

    I think that's the opposite of a waste
     
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  32. Kylebw1

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    i don’t care about the gas prices. Talking about vehicle quality and what they do environmentally.
     
  33. afb

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  34. Where Eagles Dare

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    Ford just trying to get a piece of the upcharge dealers are throwing on trucks
     
  35. NDfanPSUgrad

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    Got to Salt Lake City for a work trip. Prepaid for a compact vehicle. Lady says I can get you in a minivan. I don’t care it was late and I just needed to get to my hotel. She then offers a Tesla instead since a bunch just came back. 5 minute overview and I was driving one for the first time. Much different than I thought it would be and now I just have to find a charging station this week.
     
  36. racer

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    There are a bunch, don’t worry.
     
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  37. MORBO!

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    Just a quick tap of the GPS screen, tap the lightning bolt on the right side, and they all pull up. Alternatively, if you’re doing a long drive that requires a charge, it will just tell you where to go (and how long to charge) after you put in the destination address.
     
  38. drewru

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    So the lease on our 2020 Nissan Leaf is up next month. It’s an SV model with about 10,500 miles on it.

    The buy out is $19k
    I have a Carmax offer of $28k
    I could probably sell it privately for $30k

    We love our leaf, but I’m thinking I could buy it out, sell it and purchase a 2015 model for around $12k to $13k. In that case, would take the $9k to$10k from selling our current car and just pay the balance off so no car payment.

    My only concern is, do the 1st gen leafs actually get close to their listed range of 75ish miles? If so, it would meet our needs.
     
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    It varies from state to state but you need to understand the tax situation on this before you do it so you can make sure to do it correctly.
     
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  40. AptosDuck

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    No
     
  41. drewru

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    No they don’t get close to 75 miles of range? Or just no generally?

    Also saw that a 2015ish Kia Soul EV runs about $12k and has a range of 93. Anyone have experience with one of those?
     
  42. AptosDuck

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    Any 2015 will likely have around 15% battery degradation so you'll be lucky to get 60-65 miles now and even less as time goes on. And that's with charging it to 100% which degrades the battery even faster, especially since it's older Nissan battery tech that has thermal issues anyway.

    Find a way to keep the newer Leaf

    Edit: we're in the same norcal car market, and any 2015 Leaf that you can find for $12-13k is likely to a lot of miles on it and probably even more than 15% degradation. My 2017 Leaf is lucky to get 90-95 miles at 100% charge, and it was good for 104 when the car was new. Bought it with 50k miles on it for $13.5k out the door in January, and prices have gone up a lot since then
     
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  43. drewru

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    appreciate it.
     
  44. poetictrojan

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    Just signed the binding purchase agreement with Rivian to try to still be able to get the tax credit after IRA legislation puts the price limitations in place. No idea if that will work but worth a shot. Made $100 of my $1000 deposit non refundable. My explorer is up to 110k miles so I’m a little nervous about the wait to get the Rivian but figure I should buy it and be able to flip it for a profit no matter what. A guy I know just sold his R1T for a $40k profit a couple weeks ago. People are crazy…
     
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  45. billdozer

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    How do EVs do in mountains as far as range impacts? For example, my CRV will get 30-34 mpg on regular roads, but when I drive into the mountains it'll drop to the mid 20s since you're using more gas/power. I assume EV capacity would be impacted similar? Would gravel roads have more of an impact as well?
     
  46. racer

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    Out of Spec and Mach-E Vlog are based out of Denver. They probably have talked about that if you search.
     
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  47. Clemson327

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    Yes, it will be impacted similarly. My old Leaf would go around 120 miles around town, but my range dropped to 80-90 miles when driving from Anderson to Asheville, including the Saluda grade and interstate speeds. Coming back down, however, my range increased significantly. You’ll get a slight impact from gravel roads, but that’s typically negligible since you’re traveling at lower speeds. The larger impact comes from going above 65.
     
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  48. billdozer

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    Thanks. At some point I'd be interested in replacing the CRV with a similar EV, but I go up in the NC mountains a lot so would want to give myself plenty of margin. By the time I would get around to it, I'm sure things will be better anyways.
     
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  49. Clemson327

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    When going up into the mountains, I typically give myself a 50% safety margin to get there, and it’s always more than enough. For a round trip, a 20% margin will give you plenty of cushion.
     
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