Hamilton - The Thread Where It Happens

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  1. tjsblue

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    Jefferson "Our poorest citizens, our farmers, live ration to ration, As Wall Street robs 'em blind in search of chips to cash in"

    I took that line as referencing that...as well as Hamilton founding Wall Street in NYC and the financial system.
     
  2. NCHusker

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    You say this like it's a good thing
     
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  3. construxboy

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    LOL, did you miss the last line in my post?
    It is a good thing.
    Now, should the economic system be adjusted now due to changes in our culture and really, the world's culture? Maybe, sure. But I think you are a bit foolish if you don't think that we benefited from this system over our history, even if every citizen didn't benefit proportionately.
     
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  4. construxboy

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    Ah, good point. That probably was written in relation to the War Bonds. Wish he had written about it from Hamilton's point of view. But as others have mentioned in this thread, the play is really written so that Jefferson, Burr, and others shine, more than Hamilton.
     
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  5. BWC

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    Well, this part didn't last very long
     
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  6. construxboy

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    I mean, sure. But setting precedent to do that at the very beginning of our nation's history would have been much, much worse.
     
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  7. BWC

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    Most definitely...just didn't want to misconstrue the realities of the current system.
     
  8. construxboy

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    Fair enough. And I have friends who are further Left who are angry about "the swamps in DC and Wall Street" that Hamilton's system created. But I think it's silly to blame him for that, as opposed to human nature. His ideas made us a very powerful and prosperous country. Then humans screwed it all up.
     
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  9. CoastalOrange

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    A couple months ago I was watching the HBO show about John Adams. Was a pretty good show and pretty funny to see how Hamilton is portrayed in that vs how he is portrayed in this.
     
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  10. racer

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    Was he a fat mother fucker?
     
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  11. Fusiontegra

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    Counter-argument: the least vocally talented person being the one that masterminded the play actually works perfectly in the scope of the characters. Hamilton has no business among the people he socializes with but made it not on the class he was born into, but on his genius and hard work.

    LMM and the people that oversaw the casting use the original castings to convey underlying stories and current themes quite a bit. The King and Farmer being the only white people in the play being the most glaring.
     
  12. Snakes

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    My dad swears Burr challenged Hamilton to a duel because Hamilton spread a rumor that Burr had a sexual relationship with his daughter, Theodoshia.

    No idea if that's true.
     
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  13. racer

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    I wouldn’t be shocked on account of New York Post as a claim to fame.
     
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  14. construxboy

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    Not sure if that happened (either the rumor or Hamilton spreading it), but I think it was more about Hamilton backing Jefferson in the third Presidential election. That Hamilton would back his sworn enemy (probably correctly, frankly) over Burr cut deeply.
     
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  15. Illinihockey

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    I learned Theodosia died in a shipwreck in her 20’s and all of Burr’s writing about the time period was on the ship with her
     
  16. Fusiontegra

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    Yeah, once you start looking into how this actually went down, it’s not like the play makes it out to be, of course. He didn’t just offer his support for Jefferson, he made considerable effort in the House to swing them behind Jefferson.
     
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  17. duc15

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    he was key person who led to Jefferson winning.
     
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  18. OhioHoo

    OhioHoo Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
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    If you’re into history podcasts, there is a “Stuff you didn’t learn in history class” episode about Theodosia. It talks about the ship wreck and the fact that Burr was pretty much in love with his daughter and many thought that they may have had an incestuous relationship.

    https://podtail.com/en/podcast/stuf...sterious-disappearance-of-theodosia-burr-als/
     
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  19. racer

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    Duh. Wait For It was about puberty, not some lady’s British husband.
     
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  20. football501

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    Ehhh

    Better execution would be on what he means by “blow us all away” in the song to Theodosia Jr
     
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  21. racer

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    I skip Dear Theodosia because it sucks.
     
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  22. SugarShaun

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  23. Wu

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  24. DirtBall

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    Who dies at sea via hurricane
     
  25. Fusiontegra

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    Someone doesn't have kids...
     
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  26. SugarShaun

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    I actually don’t either but still, that song is amazing.

    I have nieces and nephews and I still want to make the world a good place for them
     
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  27. Wu

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    “I’m a general, whee” got me good
     
  28. racer

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    I do and he’s my favorite person in the entire universe. I just don’t like the song.
     
  29. Fusiontegra

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    I always really like the line "come of age with our young nation"
    Like, growing up with America would have been pretty cool.
     
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  30. Boo MFer!

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  31. Weedlord420

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    Nm
     
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  32. pperc

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    Wait what
     
  33. devine

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    I love this shit bruh
     
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  34. IV

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    Really enjoyed Jefferson’s Andre 3000 energy
     
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  35. IV

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    King George as a dandy fop is great, really enjoyed the portrayal of Washington as well
     
  36. IV

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    Alas last thought it every time i watch Hamilton I just end up in a rage by the end as I think of how precarious our beginnings were and the boomers willingness to give the whole thing to a orange clown
     
    #1187 IV, Sep 11, 2020
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  37. DirtBall

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    Diggs v Goldsberry. Who you got?
     
  38. BudKilmer

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    yes
     
  39. racer

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  40. Fusiontegra

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    A beautiful child
     
  41. Fusiontegra

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    Serious though, Diggs stands alone in his performance(s).

    Goldsberry v Jackson is better
     
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  42. IV

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    You know who else is in love with their daughter and did become President?
     
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  43. IV

    IV Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
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    Also, Daveed's Rap in "Guns in Ships" is fucking ridiculous and he does it with a French accent, as far as my cursory research has shown, Lafayette deserves better than all the shitty southern towns named after him.

    There's also this.

    "During France's July Revolution of 1830, he declined an offer to become the French dictator.", " He died on 20 May 1834 and is buried in Picpus Cemetery in Paris, under soil from Bunker Hill."

    Just a formidable human being.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_Marquis_de_Lafayette
     
  44. Fusiontegra

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    Named a son Georges Washington.

    had this as a full name:
    Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier de La Fayette

    And this as a nickname:
    The Hero of the Two Worlds (Le Héros des Deux Mondes)

    Total badass.
     
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  45. Fusiontegra

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    As for Daveed, he’s fun to get into a youtube hole of rap videos. Also have a couple tracks of his from A Night In Chicago on my playlist.
     
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  46. IV

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    I fucking love history so much, Hamilton scratches so many itches for me, also think it is just a incredible work of art

    Really makes me realize how dumb the fucking boomers were for raising us to think of the French as cowards, you read a couple books and pay attention in 11th grade and you're like what the fuck are you talking about.

    All because the greatest trained/most technologically advanced military of all time (fucking Nazis) beat them with a new strategy in WWII.

    They resisted the whole time and are probably still are underrated as a world power.
     
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  47. DirtBall

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    Here comes the General!!!!!


    AND HIS RIGHT HAND MAN!!!!!!!!
     
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  48. DirtBall

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    God, y’all sleeping on Goldsberry so damn much.
     
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  49. DirtBall

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    Satisfied => Goat. Can’t argue it.
     
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