The Expanse

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  1. gordon bombay

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    It was a good finale. I have no idea why the Laconia storyline was included.
     
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  2. Butthead

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    Maybe to explain how a bunch of belter revolutionaries acquired the biggest rail guns anyone had ever seen

    And on that note... how did no one passing through the rings notice that they were building them
     
  3. Truman

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    Agree w Butthead heh heh

    My other thought was maybe they didnt get the word that this was the last season until it was too late to fill in that stuff with other storylines
     
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  4. bwi2

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    Heh

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  5. theregionsitter

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    Hell of show, not sure I need more now- my wife was sad that Filip and his mom don’t know each other are alive
     
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  6. theregionsitter

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    The rail guns were cool
     
  7. Butthead

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    saw this on reddit. apparently everyone except bobbie and amos are some kind of sci-fi reference, for anyone who didn't see it
     
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  8. Handcuffed

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    just finished the third ep of the last season and likely going to finish this tomorrow

    when little inaro speaks to marco at the end of 3, marco fires back with a, "get off my deck" but it sounds like "get off my dick"

    that's all i've got. no idea how this show is concluding in three episodes.
     
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  9. Butthead

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    fwiw


    :pfft: johnny rico
     
  10. bwi2

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    It’s Admiral Gial Ackbar :comicbookguy:
     
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  11. Butthead

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    Even Riker made it in there
     
  12. Butthead

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    Johnny Rico #1
     
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  13. BellottiBold

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    wait what?
     
  14. Butthead

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    Watched the finale again with my buddy who isn't really into sci-fi but he loved the series

    "why the fuck do I need someone to explain how the main villain died in a show that's gone 6 seasons"

    I can't say he's wrong tbh but I still loved the finale
     
  15. bwi2

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    I do like sci-fi, so maybe that helps, but that particular mechanic was repeatedly explained, including twice in the finale itself
     
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  16. zeberdee

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    I thought they foreshadowed that death pretty hard.
     
  17. WhiskeyDelta

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    "nobody dies with a full bladder" lmao
     
  18. Fargin' Icehole

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    Liked the episode but as someone who has not read the books the Laconia stuff is WTF.
     
  19. WhiskeyDelta

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    I'm hoping for an animated sequel show
     
  20. BellottiBold

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    I mean the Laconia thing reeks of "we thought we'd be continuing this but oops"
     
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  21. Handcuffed

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    is there a good summary of all of the laconia things? i didn't understand who duarte was and what he was doing, nor how the two kids impacted the story. it seems like the revived son sort of had the same vision as the protomolecule. did the alien dogs eat that or something? did i miss something?
     
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  22. Truman

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    Duarte is a former Martian General, who defected from the Martian Military with some followers to set up a colony on Laconia. Remember last season, or maybe 2 seasons ago when Bobbie wallowing on Mars and discovered that black market for smuggled Martian weapons? That was people getting shit to Duarte. Duarte used Marco as a diversion to keep attention off himself so he could set up a military and colony without the UN snooping around. There’s that protomolecule station in Laconia’s orbit that they were trying to restart. One of the last scenes was it turning on.

    The two kids don’t really impact the story as far as the TV show goes.

    If you want book spoilers (I wont spoil the plot, just how it all comes together when books pick back up)

    The books pick up the story 30 years later. Duarte has been able to use the protomolecule to create all this powerful technology that has allowed him to basically become dictator of the ring gate network. Everyone in every system is under his control.


    The alien dogs are repair drones that have been left on Laconia by protomolecule creators. They just fix shit by programming. Both kids die in the books. They’re alive but different. Laconians discover this and start running all kinds of experiments on them. They’re able to distill it down and inject Duarte with it. He becomes ageless, like a God Emperor of sorts. It gives him insight on the ring network , helping him maintain control.

    That’s pretty much where the books pick up after the show ends.
     
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  23. Fargin' Icehole

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    Thank you
     
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  24. gordon bombay

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    I can't even really find why this is the ending, it does not sound like the show was "cancelled". It just seems like everyone involved collectively said this is the end.
     
  25. Butthead

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    It was originally dead after season 3, when the ring gate opened. Iirc SyFy had some idiotic advertising model where they only got paid from the original broadcast on their network and nothing else, so it tanked even though it was awesome.

    The series seemed dead and then the guy who shoots rockets into space as a hobby said "we should buy this, because I like this show," so we got the next 3 seasons. I haven't read the books but from reading where the story goes for the last ones, this would be like a Marvel movie in terms of cost for each one.

    The main problem is that everyone we know would be like 70 when it continues. There is a series that tried this, Star Trek: Picard. It sucked.
     
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  26. gordon bombay

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    My question to the book readers would be could the show fast forward say 5 years (so you can keep the same cast) instead of the 30 and get away with it
     
  27. WhiskeyDelta

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    Not really IMO.
    Since one of the best parts of the books is the logistical and political realities, just saying the Laconians did all the stuff the do in 5 years is unrealistic. Same with how much entrenched power the Trade Union has in the final books. You could do it I suppose but I’d rather they not.
     
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  28. Truman

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    The thing about the time jump is just how different the land scape and dynamics of the universe/systems are from where we left off.

    Maybe you dont need 30 years to make that believable, but it's more than 5. Maybe you can show how fast Laconia took over and shorten to 10-15 years and make it believable. Then you can have the actors not be completely elderly.

    That said - In The Expanse advancements in medicine/nutrition life expectancy has jumped to well over 100 years. So relatively speaking a 60/70 year old is equivalent to a 50ish year old. Still old but capable. In terms of real life actors, they'd still need to age them up but not as much to look 70.

    Like Avasarala is probably 70ish in the book and show
     
  29. zeberdee

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    I gotta get back to reading these books.
     
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  30. Truman

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    Watched the finale again. After thinking about it - they really did the show watchers a disservice w the Laconia plot. You shouldn’t have to read the books for that timeline to make sense.

    I think all they needed to do was have a couple scenes with Duarte getting status updates on what Marco is doin. How Duarte’s team is advancing with the alien technology. Drop some bread crumbs that he was helping Marco.

    Then you get a bigger payoff in that last scene where he tells Marco he was just using him.
     
  31. gordon bombay

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    A robot dog? brought back to life a dead boy and the Duarte guy told Marco to f off so he could kill gods? That's basically the take away unless book readers tell you what's coming and why its important. It also really didn't make any sense with the rest of the season's storylines other than a couple minor comments on how Laconia helped Marco.
     
  32. pratyk

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    Wish they had cast a more charismatic actor for Duarte. For someone who's the big bad villain for the last 3 books, the actor sure didn't seem like a fit.
     
  33. bwi2

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    might have been a little heavy handed but like ten lines of dialogue in explaining the protomolecule ship would have done it
     
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  34. bwi2

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    Although it’s certainly a reasonable choice to leave the series with the vibe that the belt was finally getting its due that would have been undermined by the notion of inevitable Laconian takeover of ring space.
     
  35. Truman

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    Part of what made the show so great is they didn’t hold the viewers had. They just threw them into and trusted them to be smart enough to pick it up. Very little exposition on the show. But yeah they could have used a little.

    The basically we’re expecting people to draw the links between the station on Illus 2 seasons ago to the station on Laconia, just with a few shots of the station this year. Perhaps just too subtle.
     
  36. Killy Me Please

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    Fucking bullshit. 6 episodes!?? I expect a movie with the crazy church guy
     
  37. Truman

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    This is a pretty good video on Duarte / Laconia. Clarifies some insight the show glossed over

     
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