Uvalde, TX School Shooting

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  1. wes tegg

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    I can’t really opine without knowing what they have, but there are always going to be competing claims that need to be balanced. The public's "need" to know isn't automatically paramount. Based on what we do know, I think that the judge will likely side with the FOIA requesters.
     
  2. VaxRule

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    Individuals having the right to a legal defense is different than lawyers working for a government agency to deny public oversight of a very public fuck up by that same government agency.
     
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  3. wes tegg

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    There could be implications to certain individuals as well. I agree that the "kitchen sink" approach isn't ideal, but that's not to say that there aren't some meritorious objections to producing certain things. Again, without knowing what they're withholding, it's hard to say what is justifiable to withhold. Either way, like I said before, I expect the judge is going to make them turn over pretty much everything that's not directly privileged.
     
  4. VaxRule

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    If there are “implications for individuals” then those individuals can argue that that material should be disallowed in any future trial. Until then, being seen as covering up potentially criminal activity as well as definitely a gross failure to act is a shitty thing for anyone to do.
     
  5. racer

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    It’s not prejudicial if it happened during the event in question.
     
  6. TAXTAXTAX

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    How are we supposed to have a functioning democracy, and make decisions about laws and society, if the authorities are hiding the truth? It's straight up tyranny, and I can't believe people aren't protesting like crazy.

    Weren't there also reports of the police threatening people to keep quiet?
     
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  8. IV

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    this was bullshit
     
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  9. ClemPson

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    And another lie gets exposed. I thought they didn’t have a shield or sufficient firepower that early per the police report.
     
  10. Jake Barnes

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    The scrambled legal defense in spite of the unspeakably terrible optics of even attempting it should tell you how awful their decisions must have been.
     
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  12. Hoss Bonaventure

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    Yeah they just sat there and listened to children dying hoping the shooter would just kill himself because they’re all baby back bitches.
     
  13. Nole0515

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    dp
     
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  14. electronic

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  15. BrentTray

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  16. racer

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    Where are the hacktivists? This stuff is all digitized and smaller police departments are fairly well known to have less than adequate security. You know that the answers are in an unencrypted desktop folder called ‘SCHOOL SHOOTING STUFF’ behind a password like Uvaldepd22!
     
  17. ned's head

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    More cops is definitely the answer
     
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  18. Tobias

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    blue lives absolutely DO NOT matter. not even slightly.
     
  19. NDJOECA

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    Idk about any conspiracies, seems more like bystander effect, amongst people directly tasked with not being a bystander. There is no length people will not go to hide cowardice. I’m shocked none of these guys have ate a bullet.
     
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  20. houtex716

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    I can’t imagine being a parent of one of those children and seeing this shit
     
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  21. Sub-Zero

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    The day of the shooting is just wild incompetence. Everything since then is corruption/conspiracy territory.
     
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  22. Hoss Bonaventure

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    How are they supposed to go home to their families if they have to try and stop a murderer that’s decapitating children with a gun? I mean, there’s only so many children he could kill so might as well let him get it all out of his system then go get him after it’s safe and he’s out of bullets from all the child slaughter. They’ll jump out of a car and shoot a black kid with a toy gun though and be praised as heroes.
     
  23. Tobias

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    statistically speaking, there is a good chance theyre gonna go home and assault and abuse their family
     
  24. NDJOECA

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    a 40% chance.
     
  25. Tobias

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    almost every mass shooting would be stopped if we increased cop funding by 40%. there are a lot of studies on this solution just google "cops 40%" to learn more!
     
  26. Bruce Bowen

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    Uvalde (any) police:punisher::towel boy:water boy
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  28. Montclaire de Haviland

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    I can't imagine being a parent and being obstructed thusly, without any real recourse by matter of...what? I appreciate teggs insight into the reality of law as is, but this is aggressive and egregious attemot to intimidate and obfusgate
     
  29. Pile Driving Miss Daisy

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    They should be afraid of one of these parents rightfully snapping since they have nothing left to lose and taking the law into their own hands.
     
  30. Montclaire de Haviland

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    I hate to agree, but that is a concern. And I probably wouldnt vote guilty
     
  31. Montclaire de Haviland

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    There's a limit. That video alone is exhibit a. There's a tenor in his voice. That guy alone would be a concern. And, again, I probably wouldn't vote to convict
     
  32. Montclaire de Haviland

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    There's something about the parents response that gives me chills. I don't really get chills. And I think it's because I care more about how he feels, and I feel as upset and powerless (of course, not, but empathetically so). While he is being escorted out with zero answers and considered a threat for asking questions and expecting answers. And now he is a victim again because the people in charge are threatened by their incompetence and inaction and inability to answer for being horrible. And their only horrible response is to raise their hackles and continue to be horrible. Absolutely they should be on guard. I can't endorse violence or threats, but they should probably expect it
     
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  33. BudKilmer

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    I would (redact) all the cops if I lost a kid and they then acted like this
     
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  34. Montclaire de Haviland

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    I truly appreciate what must feel like a contrarian take. Thanks for settling things a bit and explaining, slowly to us, how it's all going to go fuckwise.
     
  35. Montclaire de Haviland

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    I'm not sure why there isn't a riot in that town, tbh. Even if I hadn't lost a child, I'd be demanding more answers. Had I? That man showed much more restraint than I could muster
     
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  36. BudKilmer

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    yeah man if me or my wife are a teacher at that school and I would be losing my shit in a very public way
     
  37. Montclaire de Haviland

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    I hate to make public threats, but I don't see how one could possibly not.

    It's a you vs. Us at that point
     
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  39. Beeds07

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    It’s rare you see anyone absolutely make the worst decision possible when given the chance, like every. Single. Time.
     
  40. dblplay1212

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    Silver lining is that people are seeing cops lie a lot. Maybe one day the default won't be to take anything a cop says as fact without corroborating evidence.
     
  41. racer

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    Or maybe they’ll stop lying and be held accountable.

    we all know that’s ridiculous and will never actually happen
     
  42. electronic

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    I still can’t get over the border patrol aspect of this. There is no mention of any of them being inside the school in any of these reports. Were those dudes clout chasing a school shooting?
     
  43. racer

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    The way I understand they are within 100 miles of the border, so they’re just another LEA with jurisdiction, so they responded with a tac team. I also read they have an office/station in Uvalde.
     
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  44. electronic

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    Right, but there were reports not only that border patrol agents were inside the school, but that they were the ones who killed the shooter. Where did those reports come from?
     
  45. Andy Reocho

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    The border patrol, probably.
     
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  46. electronic

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    It is unfathomable that we are nearly a month into the aftermath, and we still have little idea what actually happened because law enforcement won’t stop lying and obfuscating.
     
  47. Andy Reocho

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    Not to be an ass, but is it?
     
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  48. Josey Wales

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    The point this person is making is pretty much the reason I give pause (entertain) when leftists like Robert Evans get weird on guns. Limped dicks in pickup trucks waving Dont tread on me flags after the next election they get smoked in concerns me to an extent.

    the cops will stop them? Your gop gov will dispatch the guard? The next president won’t already be a fascist?
     
  49. Z

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    That Texas Tribune article referring to all of the conversations on body camera and other video footage mentions them at the very beginning.

    "After the special agent’s comment, nearly another hour passed before a tactical team from the Border Patrol breached the classroom doors and killed the gunman."
     
  50. The Banks

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    Who is being quoted?