Malazan Book of the Fallen (Malazan Universe)

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  1. RonBurgundy

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    Been finished for a half hour and still simmering about the last 10% of that book. Phenomenal. So much to take in. Every time I try to wrap my head around a plot I’m remembering new cool shit like the T’lan Imass who Harllo found and his interaction with Raest. Crokus/Chalice. The Noms. Picker/Blend. Antsy and the dead cat. Iskaral Pust making up new laws for House Shadow.

    So many amazing plot lines and how well he converged everything. Fuck man, GRRM needs Erikson to give him a lesson in making 40 plot lines converge.
     
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  2. The Blackfish

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    So Dragnipur was created to protect the Gate of Darkness from the ever expanding/destroying warren of Chaos. The gate was inside the wagon and the victims of Dragnipur were forced to pull it away from chaos forever. In previous books (or earlier in this book I cannot recall) Draconus kept talking about how Rake was not killing enough people or enough powerful people and Chaos was going to overtake them, so Rake, Hood and others conspired to sacrifice themselves to combat this. With their added power they were able push Chaos back and allow Mother Dark to relocate the Gate to Black Coral.

    I honestly don't remember exactly what was going on with Clip and how it played into all of this, but fuck Clip.

    Dassem wants to kill Hood. He has a vendetta against him from way back when he was Hood's First Sword. Rake stood in his way (mainly by having already killed Hood iirc)

    Traveller keeps on travelling. You'll see him again in some of the Esselmont books, not sure about the remaining Erikson books.

    K'rul meets with Kruppe and Fisher, but Draconus will make his presence known soon enough

    Also for reasons such as this I for the millionth time cannot possibly recommend the Tor reread enough to help unravel these dense portions of the book.

    https://www.tor.com/2013/07/31/mala...-toll-the-hounds-chapter-twenty-one-part-two/
     
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  3. billdozer

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  4. RonBurgundy

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    Yes that is a p awesome painting.

    I imagined that scene as identical to the end of Wreck It Ralph Breaks the Internet I just took my kids to, which was a roughly similar scene.
     
  5. RonBurgundy

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    Yeah now after you typing that first paragraph I absolutely remember all of it now, I think it’s just so much fucking content that it’s hard to get my brain around it all, especially when it usually takes me so long to read the books. I finished Book 1 in early 2017.

    Also even though it makes it “easier” or “more enjoyable”, I want to read the books first with a little outside help as possible, but I am 100% going to reread the series, probably using those chapter by chapter guides
     
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  6. Irush

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    Ah Murillo you dumb sack of shit
     
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  7. Irush

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    I never have a fucking clue as to what Shadowthrone and Cotillion or doing or talking about
     
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  8. The Blackfish

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    To be fair Cotillion rarely has a fucking clue as to what Shadowthrone is talking about.

    You’re going to fucking love the Path to Ascendancy books
     
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  9. RonBurgundy

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    The ending wraps up what they’ve been up to the whole book, just keep following Traveller’s story.
     
  10. Irush

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    Alright on to book four of Hounds

    Can’t believe I started this series in fucking May
     
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  11. Irush

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    Cutter going to Humble Measure’s mine is the best Xmas gift I got
     
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  12. Irush

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    Ummmm what the fuck is happening in Darujhistan
     
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  13. The Blackfish

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    Convergence
     
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  14. RonBurgundy

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    All the things
     
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  15. Irush

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    Everyone is dying
     
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  16. RonBurgundy

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    Started Dust of Dreams, it's amazing how much you miss characters that disappear for books, like Tehol, Bugg, and Fiddler/Bottle/Malazans in Lether.
     
  17. lazy bum

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    every time I open this thread it makes me want to start a re-read again. I've been through twice and there's still so much I'm fuzzy on. But it's such a daunting task.
     
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  18. RonBurgundy

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    Start of Dust of Dreams was super confusing, as always seems to happen to me with all these books, but they are about to the read Deck reading and good lord is he a master at building suspense from absolutely nothing.
     
  19. RonBurgundy

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    Dust of Dreams is really good so far, 21% through. I think I can do without any SwordArmed Raptor stuff though, I don't find that interesting at all.

    Tehol has easily surpassed Kruppe as my favorite character. Naturally he will probably die at the end of this book.
     
  20. Irush

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    Hood’s Army is so fuckin badass yet it’s got me in my feelings

    Like I’m gonna cry and also punch something
     
  21. Irush

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    Rake has become my favorite character in the series so far with these last 100 pages of Hounds
     
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  22. Irush

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    Finished Hounds and bought the last two books

    I feel I am not ready for what’s next
     
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  23. Irush

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    Ok time to start Dust of Dreams

    I miss Letheras
     
  24. RonBurgundy

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    It’s in dust of dreams fyi
     
  25. Irush

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    There’s no better feeling than seeing Grub as one of the first names in a Dramatis Personae
     
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  26. Irush

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    Wow that reading of the Deck chapter was amazing
     
  27. Irush

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    240 pages in

    Shitting my pants knowing the Bonehunters are likely gonna run into some
    K’chain Che Malle
     
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  28. The Blackfish

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    :babyneedabottle:
     
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  29. RonBurgundy

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    560 pages in and I'm nearly salivating at what the convergence of plot lines is going to look like in 700 more pages.

    Also I want all of the Taxilian/Rautos group to die horrible deaths.
     
  30. Irush

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    Wait but aren’t they not actually a group?
     
  31. Irush

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    The Burned Tears going all Attila the Hun on the Bolkando is a big fuckin mood
     
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  32. Irush

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    Holy shit, Krughava

    Oh fuck I’m going to FLY through this book
     
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  33. RonBurgundy

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    I’m going to have to stop reading your spoilers soon when you pass me
     
  34. Irush

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    Idk man I’m just now getting to book two
     
  35. RonBurgundy

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    My issue is I always am getting books from the library while reading this series so I take breaks to finish my library books. I just need to buckle in and finish Dust and book 10 before I get any more books, like I just read a book on Eastern Buddhist philosophy and starting an autobiography while also reading Dust of Dreams.
     
  36. Irush

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    Wow what a scholar
     
  37. Irush

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    Dinosaur sword hand bois are boringggggg
     
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  38. RonBurgundy

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    It gets better, but I agree.

    I’m at page 700 and
    this huge ass storm thing is really cool. His imagery about it ripping across the wastelands is really great. Fist sized pieces of hail, huge pillars of destruction. Neat!

    I feel like a lot of people are going to die soon.

    Also I think the Bolkandos are more boring than they should be.
     
  39. Irush

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    400 pages in
     
  40. The Blackfish

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    Is Dust of Dreams the book with that storyline?

    Yeah, fucking Barghast
     
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  41. RonBurgundy

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    From what I understand it’s not a complete book by itself, so a lot of plot lines don’t get resolved until book 10?
     
  42. The Blackfish

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    Correct
     
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  43. Irush

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    Hot Take

    But if the shore actually did go away and swallowed up all the Shake with it I wouldn’t be upset at all
     
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  44. Irush

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    Can someone confirm for me that
    Rautos, Taxillian, Breath, etc are all really just Icarium going crazy?

    It has to be
     
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  45. RonBurgundy

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    Isn’t he the ghost character? I think they are real
     
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  46. RonBurgundy

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    Just finished chapter 17. This Barghast story line is becoming one of the dumbest fucking plot lines in the entire series.

    This whole Balak/Hetan/Cafal/Estalle whatever her name quadruple death on the night before the battle was fucking pointless. I just spent like 100 pages of this book having to pretend to care about this awful fucking plot thread just for it to end this way? How fucking stupid and completely unsatisfying in every way possible. Terrible.
    Edit
    well everyone but the clan that retreated is fucking dead anyways due to what I’m assuming is the Jaghut warren/hold of ice? Now doubly pointless. Whatever at least they are all dead and we can move on
     
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  47. RonBurgundy

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    Icarium plot line question for The Blackfish or others:

    so just got to the part where Icarium is reborn in the Matron’s chamber and I’m still confused, was Veed/Rautos/Taxilian/Sheb/Last and crew actually imaginary or were they actually alive and Veed sacrificed them all to bring Icarium back?

    Sometimes his writing really isn’t clear on this
     
  48. The Blackfish

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    Not Jaghut
     
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  49. The Blackfish

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    I was confused as well and don’t honestly remember now
     
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  50. RonBurgundy

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    Also was anyone else super disappointed with the reveal of the goddess Burn?